Mister Happy Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 The problem is the Pats dont like to pay money to rookies so thats a big road block to a trade like this. Since it's such a big road block, you should have no problem providing facts to back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I wouldn't have a problem with it but:Our #6= 1,600 draft points NE's #24 and #28= 1,400 so my suggestion if NE really wanted to do this, they would need to give us: #24, #28, #91 (136) and #127 (45)= 1,581 Sometimes you have to say: **** the value chart. I think this might be one of those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 This is more fantasy football than reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sounds good, but we should probably get a mid round pick in that deal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 It is a good trade to me, and they get Anthony Spencer who I hope the Redskins do get, but I dont know why they would get DT Justin Harrell who had an injury. He played through injury. Guy is tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvufootball1976 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Interesting, but I would'nt mind A Brandon Merriwheather with one of those picks.:helmet: Merriweather? Oh you mean this Merriweather(#19/Miami)......... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 The problem is the Pats dont like to pay money to rookies so thats a big road block to a trade like this. Okay I understand the Pats don't pay their players, but wouldn't it cost more to have 2 #1 picks as to have one at #6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkekoa Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I wouldn't have a problem with it but:Our #6= 1,600 draft points NE's #24 and #28= 1,400 so my suggestion if NE really wanted to do this, they would need to give us: #24, #28, #91 (136) and #127 (45)= 1,581 Draft value chart is a baseline. In no way does the #6 get all these picks. The two firsts is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigyim Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 A few things to think about for those who quote the Jimmy Johnson draft Chart as a reason why NE's offer of 2 1st round picks is insufficient: 1.The numeric values associated with each pick are relative...not objective by any sense of the word. In essence, any player is worth what you are willing to give up for him. 2. In numerous mock draft websites, it has been mentioned that there is a reluctance for teams to try to trade up before the draft in general, and specifically for any player other than the top 5 talents. Since draft value is a relative term, it could be that this year's #6 has less assigned value to it by the rest of the GMs in this league, and therefore trading out of it would require taking a "discount"(at least, according to the draft chart). 3. No doubt, hard-core draftniks have heard about the Cade Massey and Richard Thaler study of the NFL draft. As economists without association to the NFl, they concluded that low 1st round picks and 2nd round picks actually outperform, on average, the high 1st round picks in terms of relative value...in other words, the high 1st rounders my be better players, but the amount of salary they eat up makes them less cost-effective than the late 1st-2nd rounders. Based on this data, I would not be surprised to see certain front offices start to both alter the standard draft chart (to lessen the values of the top draft picks) and adopt a philosophy of value & volume within the 1st day of drafting. Indeed, the Patriots may have already adopted that strategy...which would make this scenario of trading up to get Landry unlikely without sacrificing some "point value" according to the chart. In short, I would take the 2 lower 1st round picks & run, if I were the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvkeeper19 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I wouldn't have a problem with it but:Our #6= 1,600 draft points NE's #24 and #28= 1,400 so my suggestion if NE really wanted to do this, they would need to give us: #24, #28, #91 (136) and #127 (45)= 1,581 That depends on them really wanting Landry at 6. That's not the Patriots' style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Merriweather? Oh you mean this Merriweather(#19/Miami)......... :laugh: Dammmm!!!! :laugh: I dont want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnix Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 personally, i would take the 2 first rounds, and pick up either a def end or tackle, and use the other one for a starting rookie safety. i think golston will be a starter and be a good one. montgomery will keep getting better, and is a good backup. salaava will be a good backup as well and should be able to keep him healthy for part time play. griffin hopefully, can play a whole season and get over the nagging injuries. def end i expect carter to be effective now that he is switched and played a whole season. we do need a def end to take the other spot. safety, is a big plus if we can get a true free safety, coverage type, to let taylor do his thing. last year we had no such safety on the roster, and taylor was spread way to thin. i do believe, the skins can pick up a big def tackle to plug holes and help stop the run, with the free agent market. i doubt this is true of safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 He played through injury. Guy is tough. Very tough. Harrell had a torn bicep and decided to play in the FLA game instead of having sugury. He played with 1 arm, and was still basically unblockable. Against the team that won the the BCS this year. He is very good and very tough, and I'd love this move. Him next to Griff/Golston would make out D-Line alot better in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 If you can trade down like that, then you try to trade one of those NE 1st rounders to get a 2nd and 3rd rounder for next year. Or something else. If you can leave day one from 1 pick, too three picks. That's a good move....if you draft well of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Even if NE just offers their two first round picks and nothing else, I think you have to take it. I could see taking one of those picks and trading down into round two as well. Having two #1 picks, albeit late, still provides several options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I would love a deal like this. Fanball is a fantasy football website... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant15fromNJ Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I would do this trade we get two picks and double the chance to get a impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaught76 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I'd be OK with this trade. I wouldn't have selected those players though. I would have select Griffin S with the 24th and Charles Johnson DE with the 28th or like someone else suggest, trade down one of those 2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Okay I understand the Pats don't pay their players, but wouldn't it cost more to have 2 #1 picks as to have one at #6? No those two later #1's will be cheaper then the #6 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I rather trade with Atlanta and get a 3rd. Dropping that late, could lead us to draft 2 people who bust or are career backups. At 6, we have a better chance to get an impact player. I am all for trading down, but only if it makes sense. The NE trade does not. Trading with Atlanta gets us another pick, but still allows us to choose from Okoye, Carriker, and Andersen. Then in the 3rd we can take the best OL or CB available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 No those two later #1's will be cheaper then the #6 pick. To go on further with this, late round picks usually get like $3-$5 mill SB, where as the 6th pick will probably get aroun $12-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I'd love to trade down with the Pats, though I'd hope they added a 2nd or 3rd to fill the gap between value points. We could stock up on a couple of DL and find Dockery's replacement with the mid round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin mark Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I like this guy.....I see the next Shawn Merrriman 28. Washington Redskins (from New England) TRADE ALERT! Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue The Deal: The Patriots send their two first-round picks (24th and 28th overall) to the Redskins. Rationale: An infusion of high-end, young talent to the Redskins line would be a welcomed change of pace for a franchise that insists on building through free agency. Spencer would provide a speedy pass rusher on the edge and could be a building block for the 'Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I don't think NE would ever trade into the top of the draft. Too expensive up here for them:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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