rwn Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Some interesting reading Should the Redskins continue to pursue Dre’ Bly? Should they trade the 6th pick now or wait until draft day? Will Denver be willing to part with enough to warrant trading the 6th pick? Will the Skins get fleeced again in a trade? Or will they continue to show their new found fortitude and play hardball? Why trade for Bly at all now Smoot has signed? http://redskins.scout.com/2/625529.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Per Warpath, Do the Skins Bly in? By Robert Large Warpath Insiders Posted Mar 9, 2007 Should the Redskins continue to pursue Dre’ Bly? Should they trade the 6th pick now or wait until draft day? Will Denver be willing to part with enough to warrant trading the 6th pick? Will the Skins get fleeced again in a trade? Or will they continue to show their new found fortitude and play hardball? Why trade for Bly at all now Smoot has signed? All good questions. Up until three days ago I was of the same opinion as many – stay at #6 until draft day, see who drops to #6, field offers and auction off the pick to the highest bidder. If the Skins get a good deal take it – especially if it means dropping down a few picks at a time and acquiring much needed additional draft choices. There was the possibility of Brady Quinn and/or Adrian Peterson dropping to #6. Minnesota (#7), Houston (#8), Miami (#9) and even Green Bay (#16) would be interested in QB Quinn. Houston, Buffalo (#12), Green Bay and Denver (#21) would be major suitors for Peterson. If a good deal doesn’t eventuate, just select the best defensive lineman on the draft board. There’s no doubt that Quinn provides the Redskins with the ammunition for getting the best trade deal with three teams just below them inside the top #10 all looking for a franchise type QB. A bidding war between the Vikings, Texans (who are looking to offload David Carr) and the Dolphins would see the Skins being the big winner, in both compensation (extra picks) and where they would land for their first pick (#7, #8 or #9) still being able to take one of the top defensive linemen on the board. What’s happened since then has changed the landscape completely. Firstly, Cleveland – thought by many as a lock to take RB Peterson at #3 – sign UFA RB Jamal Lewis. This will allow the Browns to focus on their other problem area – quarterback - and Quinn will be sitting there. There are rumours that Houston and Washington have a deal in place if Quinn drops to #6, but its now looking more unlikely. This will mean Petersen will most likely drop to #6 right? Probably, but not so fast. Houston offered the best value slot for a Peterson trade by far. However, the Texans went out and signed ex-Packers RB Ahman Green as their starter and would not use an early first round pick on another RB. So what seemed almost a buffet situation for the Skins has quickly turned into “bread and dripping” with the team having to be prepared to drop to #12 or beyond to get a trade. Also there’s no guarantees that a deal would get on the table in this situation either (for example, Arizona could make “our” deal with the 5th pick). It’s all speculation. Now we are hearing that CB Dre Bly, whom Denver acquired from Detroit after outbidding the Skins, wants to come to Washington, There are reports that Denver have put a deal on the table that involves their first, second and third rounders plus LB Al Wilson for the #6. The Skins have declined the player in that trade – having acquired LB London Fletcher-Baker – however, they replaced Wilson with the name “Bly” in discussions. That’s supposedly the state of play now. The Skins past reputation of being impatient in free agency, outbidding themselves to sign players and squandering draft picks has been repaired somewhat in the 2007 offseason. The front office have shown restraint, played the market sensibly and agreed to two very reasonable contracts with their two main UFA signings. The negotiations with Denver over this possible trade are the next big test, so should the Skins be looking to make this trade? It makes sense to do a trade in these circumstances as the Bronco’s covet the 6th pick. However, given that Houston are also supposedly talking to Washington, I would hold out for a better deal and use that as leverage against the Bronco’s. The Skins have no need to rush this. The Skins have what Denver wants so why not try to extract the last ounce of compensation out of the Bronco’s? If this drags out to draft day, so be it. Washington holds the whip hand here, let’s not forget that. What would be my starting point in these negotiations? Bly, Denver’s 1st (#21), 2nd (#56) and both 3rd round picks (#70 and #87) for the Skins 1st (#6) and 5th rounders. “That’s crazy, they won’t do that as it means that Bly is valued at a low 3rd round pick.” That’s right. I think Bly is a solid cornerback but he’s almost 30 years of age, is in the last year of his current contract and will be looking for a decent contract extension. Those three factors alone devalue the player’s compensation as far as I’m concerned. If Denver comes to the party with an acceptable deal, the Skins are then armed with picks to trade back up from #21 to the #9 - #16 range if they want to depending on what combination of other Denver picks they use. This would enable the Skins to position themselves to still acquire one of the best 4 DL on the board, add Bly and have an additional first day pick or two. If the team stays at #21, Jarvis Moss, Charles Johnson or Adam Carriker would be very good selections at DE, while the other picks could be used on a defensive tackle, a guard, a tight end and even a kicker. So if an acceptable deal from the Bronco’s is on the table do the Skins take it or still wait in hope for draft day? Given the uncertainty of who may drop to #6, I think the answer is obvious. So why do the Skins need Bly when they have Springs, Rogers and Smoot? Does Springs get traded if Bly is acquired? My answer is short and simple. Keep Springs and move him to free safety. You now have one of the best defensive backfields in the NFL – Bly and Smoot on the corners, Taylor and Springs at safety and Rogers in the nickel …….and provides something that was sorely missed last year…………QUALITY DEPTH in the defensive backfield. Lastly……..name two value for money FA’s that the Skins should still be looking to sign? Here’s mine……… Ian Scott DT (Bears) and Edwin Mulitalo G (Ravens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwn Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 if you had bothered to do a search you would of noticed i made the same thread over 2 hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 You need a link, but if this is a premium article, it is verboten to post it at all. Otherwise only a few paragraphs are allowed on the free content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwn Posted March 10, 2007 Author Share Posted March 10, 2007 here is the link i put in my post over 2 hour go http://redskins.scout.com/2/625529.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 here is the link i put in my post over 2 hour gohttp://redskins.scout.com/2/625529.html Thanks Here's your thread link in case mods want to merge... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192762 Here's another one... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192766 It's helpful for the search if you put the article title in the subject line prefixed with "Scout.com:". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Maybe people would use better title...people would read or find the previous threads! Sorry...just a boring Saturday I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Some interesting readingShould the Redskins continue to pursue Dre’ Bly? Should they trade the 6th pick now or wait until draft day? Will Denver be willing to part with enough to warrant trading the 6th pick? Will the Skins get fleeced again in a trade? Or will they continue to show their new found fortitude and play hardball? Why trade for Bly at all now Smoot has signed? http://redskins.scout.com/2/625529.html I looked right over this post! My appologies! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 That article sucked, IMO. The writer completely dismissed the fact that the Browns signed Jamal Lewis to a one year contract and traded Droughns. The Browns could still take Adrian Peterson, in fact, they probably will. You'll have someone to spell Lewis, who will need it. Also, it means Peterson won't start until next year, so he won't have to shoulder the whole load immediately, which should help deter his injury concerns and give him time to adjust to the NFL. Also, the writer talks about us turning down the Denver trade involving Wilson because we signed Fletcher. That deal was offered before we signed Fletcher though. He then creates his "own deal" which is really the deal LaCanfora reported, about Denver giving us 1, 2, and 3 plus Bly. Only this guy has us throwing in a 5th rounder, and says that the deal equates Bly to a third rounder. His point system is off, becuase if we give up a fifth rounder, then Bly is valued as a second rounder. Long story short, this work isn't researched at all, and just seems like the reactionary piece of a poorly informed fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#21Taylor4Ever Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 if you had bothered to do a search you would of noticed i made the same thread over 2 hours ago I've noticed over the past few days that people in here love to bite one another's heads off over nothing. I thought we were all Skins fans here, a family of Skins fans who should like one another. A guy re-posts a thread and he gets his head blown off by the guy who posted a similar thread on the same topic. It's so angry up in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceviker Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I really like the idea of signing Ian Scott and Mutilio. By signing Scott, we can adress the DT position in FA and the DE in FA. I also really like the trade scenarios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleSkinsFan Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I thought the article included the following trade sceanrio.. Dre Bly Denver's 1st Denver's 2nd both of Denver's 3rds for Washington's 1st Washington's 5th I think Bly is worth about a 3rd rounder, but really.... just keep Springs and sign Bly next year when he is an UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethrodsp Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 That guy makes some great points in the article. I have to say I agree on the premise of just about all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethrodsp Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 By the way, I think you should take the name Bly out of the thread title as the article seems to be about much more than that and his name has apeared in so many thread titles that have been about nothing. I think this article is worth reading and I dont think many people will take this thread seriously if they think its just another thread rehashing the perameters of the alleged Dre Bly trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0mega Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Good read. Very plausable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesburgvaskinsfan Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 A good read. It makes you think the Redskins FO decision makers are making good decisions so far. I like those two recommendations he made too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 I tend to agree with the section about what we would do. I dont neccesarily agree that it is so easily readable what other teams are going to be looking for in the draft, but I dont think its a major issue. I think we need to play hardball with Denver, but if we get a good trade, accept it and not wait for draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Per Warpath,Do the Skins Bly in? By Robert Large Warpath Insiders Posted Mar 9, 2007 Should the Redskins continue to pursue Dre’ Bly? Should they trade the 6th pick now or wait until draft day? Will Denver be willing to part with enough to warrant trading the 6th pick? Will the Skins get fleeced again in a trade? Or will they continue to show their new found fortitude and play hardball? Why trade for Bly at all now Smoot has signed? All good questions. Up until three days ago I was of the same opinion as many – stay at #6 until draft day, see who drops to #6, field offers and auction off the pick to the highest bidder. If the Skins get a good deal take it – especially if it means dropping down a few picks at a time and acquiring much needed additional draft choices. There was the possibility of Brady Quinn and/or Adrian Peterson dropping to #6. Minnesota (#7), Houston (#8), Miami (#9) and even Green Bay (#16) would be interested in QB Quinn. Houston, Buffalo (#12), Green Bay and Denver (#21) would be major suitors for Peterson. If a good deal doesn’t eventuate, just select the best defensive lineman on the draft board. There’s no doubt that Quinn provides the Redskins with the ammunition for getting the best trade deal with three teams just below them inside the top #10 all looking for a franchise type QB. A bidding war between the Vikings, Texans (who are looking to offload David Carr) and the Dolphins would see the Skins being the big winner, in both compensation (extra picks) and where they would land for their first pick (#7, #8 or #9) still being able to take one of the top defensive linemen on the board. What’s happened since then has changed the landscape completely. Firstly, Cleveland – thought by many as a lock to take RB Peterson at #3 – sign UFA RB Jamal Lewis. This will allow the Browns to focus on their other problem area – quarterback - and Quinn will be sitting there. There are rumours that Houston and Washington have a deal in place if Quinn drops to #6, but its now looking more unlikely. This will mean Petersen will most likely drop to #6 right? Probably, but not so fast. Houston offered the best value slot for a Peterson trade by far. However, the Texans went out and signed ex-Packers RB Ahman Green as their starter and would not use an early first round pick on another RB. So what seemed almost a buffet situation for the Skins has quickly turned into “bread and dripping” with the team having to be prepared to drop to #12 or beyond to get a trade. Also there’s no guarantees that a deal would get on the table in this situation either (for example, Arizona could make “our” deal with the 5th pick). It’s all speculation. Now we are hearing that CB Dre Bly, whom Denver acquired from Detroit after outbidding the Skins, wants to come to Washington, There are reports that Denver have put a deal on the table that involves their first, second and third rounders plus LB Al Wilson for the #6. The Skins have declined the player in that trade – having acquired LB London Fletcher-Baker – however, they replaced Wilson with the name “Bly” in discussions. That’s supposedly the state of play now. The Skins past reputation of being impatient in free agency, outbidding themselves to sign players and squandering draft picks has been repaired somewhat in the 2007 offseason. The front office have shown restraint, played the market sensibly and agreed to two very reasonable contracts with their two main UFA signings. The negotiations with Denver over this possible trade are the next big test, so should the Skins be looking to make this trade? It makes sense to do a trade in these circumstances as the Bronco’s covet the 6th pick. However, given that Houston are also supposedly talking to Washington, I would hold out for a better deal and use that as leverage against the Bronco’s. The Skins have no need to rush this. The Skins have what Denver wants so why not try to extract the last ounce of compensation out of the Bronco’s? If this drags out to draft day, so be it. Washington holds the whip hand here, let’s not forget that. What would be my starting point in these negotiations? Bly, Denver’s 1st (#21), 2nd (#56) and both 3rd round picks (#70 and #87) for the Skins 1st (#6) and 5th rounders. “That’s crazy, they won’t do that as it means that Bly is valued at a low 3rd round pick.” That’s right. I think Bly is a solid cornerback but he’s almost 30 years of age, is in the last year of his current contract and will be looking for a decent contract extension. Those three factors alone devalue the player’s compensation as far as I’m concerned. If Denver comes to the party with an acceptable deal, the Skins are then armed with picks to trade back up from #21 to the #9 - #16 range if they want to depending on what combination of other Denver picks they use. This would enable the Skins to position themselves to still acquire one of the best 4 DL on the board, add Bly and have an additional first day pick or two. If the team stays at #21, Jarvis Moss, Charles Johnson or Adam Carriker would be very good selections at DE, while the other picks could be used on a defensive tackle, a guard, a tight end and even a kicker. So if an acceptable deal from the Bronco’s is on the table do the Skins take it or still wait in hope for draft day? Given the uncertainty of who may drop to #6, I think the answer is obvious. So why do the Skins need Bly when they have Springs, Rogers and Smoot? Does Springs get traded if Bly is acquired? My answer is short and simple. Keep Springs and move him to free safety. You now have one of the best defensive backfields in the NFL – Bly and Smoot on the corners, Taylor and Springs at safety and Rogers in the nickel …….and provides something that was sorely missed last year…………QUALITY DEPTH in the defensive backfield. Lastly……..name two value for money FA’s that the Skins should still be looking to sign? Here’s mine……… Ian Scott DT (Bears) and Edwin Mulitalo G (Ravens). wh ydoes everyone think Mulitalo is "the guy"? or a guy? the ravens running game was horrid. Lewis got nowhere cuz opposing defenses were in the backfield half the time. was Mulitalo one of the weak links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpy007 Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 if you had bothered to do a search you would of noticed i made the same thread over 2 hours ago For you my friend... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192766 Re: Will Brady Quinn's stock help us ? (from Redskins scout) ________________________________________ Not bad for a duplicate post wish some would bother to at least look cause i made the same post over 2 hours ago http://redskins.scout.com/2/625529.html Not to be or sound rude, but what is it with you and so many others on this board that go out of their way to nitpick others. What did he ever do to you..? Yes I do agree that he probably should have done a better job of seeing if this has already been posted. But does that give you the right to get up on your soap box and take a shot at him. Did he sleep with your wife..? If not, then what’s the big deal? Step off. This board has Mods to take care of things like this. Let them do their job. If you want, send one of them an IM. But again, what is the point at taking a shot at him? What did he ever do to you? Let’s remember why we are here in the first place. All of us for the most part are fans of the best football team in the NFL, The Washington Redskins!!! So lets try to get along and be a bit more respectful of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Our management is too stupid... They won't hold out and wait until draft day like smart brass would... They'll jump the gun and make a stupid trade a month before the draft... BOOK IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 wh ydoes everyone think Mulitalo is "the guy"? or a guy? the ravens running game was horrid. Lewis got nowhere cuz opposing defenses were in the backfield half the time. was Mulitalo one of the weak links? Al, Mulitalo only played 4 games last season and then went on the IR for a torn triceps (?) muscle. Take that for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Gibbs II Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Isnt bly going to be 30 soon? Yes, younger than springs, but you have to realize, he probably would be only a temporary solution unless he is like DG. Bly would be able to do his job for a couple of years, but im afraid he could wear down and have it be another springs situation. I love both of those guys, wouldnt mind either of them here/still here in springs and bly, but im going to be cautiously optimistic about the whole situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 However, given that Houston are also supposedly talking to Washington, I would hold out for a better deal and use that as leverage against the Bronco’s. The Skins have no need to rush this. The Skins have what Denver wants so why not try to extract the last ounce of compensation out of the Bronco’s? If this drags out to draft day, so be it. Washington holds the whip hand here, let’s not forget that. By far the best line from this, sit on your hands and make them convince you to say "I do" Washington is in effect the "bride to be" in this situation with the Broncos, and nothing says we have to commit to this trade at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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