lvredfan Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We got youth and vets up and down our D line. At DT we had 2 rookies step in and get some good playing time. We still got Joe S, and CG. At the DE Andre Carter with a young hungry first round pick at DE. We still got phillip also. I think the D line will be fine. We will finish in the top 10 in defense again.:dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We got youth and vets up and down our D line. At DT we had 2 rookies step in and get some good playing time. We still got Joe S, and CG. At the DE Andre Carter with a young hungry first round pick at DE. We still got phillip also. I think the D line will be fine. We will finish in the top 10 in defense again.:dallasuck The D line can be fine if we are smart and get the right player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We got youth and vets up and down our D line. At DT we had 2 rookies step in and get some good playing time. We still got Joe S, and CG. At the DE Andre Carter with a young hungry first round pick at DE. We still got phillip also. I think the D line will be fine. We will finish in the top 10 in defense again.:dallasuckHmmmm..... Did you see our last game? The Atlanta game? How about Tennessee? If you did, it'd be hard not to acknowledge this was our teams most glaring weakness. The bad news is our youth is still unproven, our vets are getting old, Joe S and CG both had terrible years thanks to some injuries, Carter needed almost half the year to finally get it going, Daniels did have 3 sacks, but seemed invisible when we really needed some pressure. Now, all is not lost. The good news is that Carter did in fact improve drastically over the weeks, CG and JS can heal up and give another solid season or two, Fletcher will provide the leadership we've been missing, and we'll use the #6 pick (trade down or not) on improving the line even more. Finishing in the top 10 seems like a stretch. Possible, but a stretch. Top 15 would be fine in my book, so long as we force more than 12 friggin turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGift Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Lets ask Tiki Barber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlhjr34 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 The D Line will be fine if we stay healthy and make the right draft pick. I think Carter was progressing as expected by season's end. I'd also like to see Griffin stay healthy for a whole season. Plus, I haven't see too much love for Golston and I think he was a pleasant surprise last year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramdizzle Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 the d line stunk. as for Carter do you think that he got better, or stayed the same as larger o-linemen worn down as the season progressed and just looked better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matador36 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Don't forget Demetric Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoBoCTiberius Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 No, it's safe to forget him, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 last year our Dline was worse than you can imagine. daniels is old and slow, no rush whatsoever, carter didnt figure out how to play DE until week 11 (cant blame him really, at least he ended very strong), griffin was not 100% and it showed, and salavea was worthless, which meant golston had to step in, and golston is a junior version of griffin, not a mammoth run stuffer. coupled with a tiny lemar marshall at MLB, a doormat warrick holdman, and marcus washington, we probably had the worst front 7 in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 the Redskins line has holes. that said, the line will be better with a healthy Griffin in the middle, a Carter that now seems settled down in the scheme and better support from the linebacking corps. you can also point to the offseason work of Kedric Golston in getting stronger as a positive development for 2007. so, yes this defensive line can be better in 2007 than it was in 2006. But for the line to really take the step up to being a playoff-caliber front, the Redskins need to add an anchor, a player who gets the attention of the offense and is able to create mismatches for the other players who can then cause turnovers and get sacks. It would be a great move to see the team trade down and still be able to get one of the top d-linemen and also add a player in round 2 that is also a DL or OL. But getting the right player at #6 even if no other move is made could be enough if the other players come back healthy and ready to improve on 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yea, it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvredfan Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Smoot back will also help out the d line also. He can tackle good and cover up some mistakes. I can see GW let the dogs loose again. He can have conf in our coverage now, and that makes the whole team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree76 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yeah, it's still pretty bad. However, with the right addition in the draft...it can get better. Also Carter ended strong last year, so that was very encouraging to see. The big problem is that the key players on that line got one year older (Griffin, Daniels) and you can't expect guys like Golston or Montgomery to be starter-calibur players that quickly. One right pick on the d-line, along with a hopefully improved linebacking core and secondary will lead to at least a top 15 defense again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Lets ask Tiki Barber or steven jackson or travis henry or brian westbrook or the falcons entire backfield or cadillac williams or tiki barber (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We have pieces of a good dline, but the whole is below average. We need more. I'm for an end, others are for a tackle. We have been unable to pressure with our front four for three years, but we have been very good against the run for two. What killed us most last year was our inability to ever get a stop on 3rd. Even third and 26 seemed very makeable for opponents last year. Almost every qb had probowl numbers against us. We need to take steps to prevent that from repeating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 "Is our D line as bad as we all think?" Resounding yes IMO... According to football outsiders (a respected site I believe) if I am reading this right we are ranked: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php Run defense / blocking 30th ______________________ Pass defense sack rank last in league with 20 Carter I feel could be poised for a great year - everyone else is suspect IMO. I think a trade down for a DE and DT is a must. My guys are Carriker and Tyler ideally. If we can only have one DL, I vote for a DT either Branch or Okoye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshu Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Give me the kid with the motaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!! I don't want some big fat puke who quit in individual drills because of frustration. (I'm talking to you Branch) I would rather have a kid thats smart and tenacious. Okoye is the pick. Digressing, but isn't he related the Nigerian Nightmare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWARF-HOG Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We got youth and vets up and down our D line. At DT we had 2 rookies step in and get some good playing time. We still got Joe S, and CG. At the DE Andre Carter with a young hungry first round pick at DE. We still got phillip also. I think the D line will be fine. We will finish in the top 10 in defense again.:dallasuck Our stats says it all. Big drop in sacks and turnovers last year. Hopefully Branch, Anderson or Adams in the draft would help. If we trade down, Carriker, Johnson , Moss, or Tyler would be a good pick. :notworthy to the :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 "Is our D line as bad as we all think?"Resounding yes IMO... According to football outsiders (a respected site I believe) if I am reading this right we are ranked: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php Run defense / blocking 30th ______________________ Pass defense sack rank last in league with 20 Carter I feel could be poised for a great year - everyone else is suspect IMO. I think a trade down for a DE and DT is a must. My guys are Carriker and Tyler ideally. If we can only have one DL, I vote for a DT either Branch or Okoye. Okoye looks good, but i think Jamaal Anderson has even more potential. Plus, there are so many top tier dlineman this year, we can trade down to 9 or 10 and still get Branch Adams Anderson Okoye Carriker, only 1 of them should be gone, get a 2nd rounder, and then get a DT or DE. I think we should go DE in the first and DT in the second. But anyway, our dline was horrific, horrible, thesaurus.com bad, sucky, trash, etc and you can get a good impression of how our line played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We got youth and vets up and down our D line. At DT we had 2 rookies step in and get some good playing time. We still got Joe S, and CG. At the DE Andre Carter with a young hungry first round pick at DE. We still got phillip also. I think the D line will be fine. We will finish in the top 10 in defense again.:dallasuck The Dline is dreadful...just because you saw 4 bodies in a 3-point stance on each and every down doesn't mean we are fine. We were dead last in sacks and it wasn't even close. We set an all-time NFL record (80 years of football) for fewest turnovers forced by a team. In the history of the league, I'd imagine that there are roughly 1500 "seasons" in the record books. That's saying something. On the bright side we were 27th against the run. Yes, I know that LBs bare some of the responsibility for the above stats. But you'll find that the teams that excel in these 3 areas tend to get the most out of their Dlines. We got nothing out of ours and it showed. Players like Golston, Montgomery, and Carter have an opportunity to improve. You go into this season hoping that Griffin can just regain his 2004/5 level after a year of injuries. But being on the wrong side of 30 - I'd say it's about a 50/50 shot. Wynn and Daniels are who they - solid run stoppers at best who offer zilch rushing the passer. They would be rotational players (10-15 snaps) at best on good teams but for us they are starting material. IMO, if we wanted a good Dline we'd need 3 players added: 2 DEs, and a NT. If we wanted to just be adequate, we could add a NT and a LE. Unfortunately, it looks like we will only be in position to add one player (of any consequence) via the draft or free agency - the #6 overall pick. The prospects of the Dline play improving considerably are not good. However, I do expect the LBs and DBs to play MUCH better, so look for a ranking in the 15-18 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvredfan Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 How much of the offense, that went 3 and out on a regular basis last year had to do with are d line troubles, We got worn down last year. Remember the Giants game they beat us 19 to 3 they had the ball almost the whole game. Lots of factors went into our D line being bad last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Okoye looks good, but i think Jamaal Anderson has even more potential. Plus, there are so many top tier dlineman this year, we can trade down to 9 or 10 and still get Branch Adams Anderson Okoye Carriker, only 1 of them should be gone, get a 2nd rounder, and then get a DT or DE. I think we should go DE in the first and DT in the second. I like Anderson too Siven, but Carriker intrigues me also... But anyway, our dline was horrific, horrible, thesaurus.com bad, sucky, trash, etc and you can get a good impression of how our line played. So you're saying not so good I take it - ballpark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 How much of the offense, that went 3 and out on a regular basis last year had to do with are d line troubles, We got worn down last year. Remember the Giants game they beat us 19 to 3 they had the ball almost the whole game. Lots of factors went into our D line being bad last year. The problem with this argument is that the D couldn't force a stop in the first quarter. They were consistently horrendous. This statement could be true in 2004 and 2005, but last year, they were porous from the start of the game to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 We have pieces of a good dline, but the whole is below average. We need more. I'm for an end, others are for a tackle. We have been unable to pressure with our front four for three years, but we have been very good against the run for two. What killed us most last year was our inability to ever get a stop on 3rd. Even third and 26 seemed very makeable for opponents last year. Almost every qb had probowl numbers against us. We need to take steps to prevent that from repeating. I'm all for drafting a Dlineman and have been practically begging this franchise to do so for ten years. At first, I was all about Alan Branch with our pick at #6. A big space eater beside Griffin who would command a double team a free Griff and Carter up to get into the backfield. But with Daniels at age 34 and our lack of day one picks, I hope we trade down and make a play for Carriker out of Nebraska. At 6'6" 295, he has the speed (4.18 shuttle time) to play DE and the strength(225 lbs @ 33 reps) to play DT. If in the trade down we wind up with a second or third round pick, I hope we use it on the best guard or tackle available. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvredfan Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 The offense couldnt produce a answer to the opp score. To put the blame totaly on our D is well deserved but when a team drives down your throat wears you down, mental and physical wise then your offense goes out and puts together a 3 and out it kills a team. Or how about a corner who cant cover, and a SS who was lost in our D. The D line is going to be fine next year I didnt say great but with smoot back and a solid middle linebacker, alll will be back to normal for our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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