Henry Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If I heard my kid say "That's so gay" as a put down I'd be pretty darn angry a her for using such a classless phrase. If my kid got disciplined at school for saying it she would definately be getting in far more trouble at home too. It's amazing that this forum will spend dozens of threads complaining about the lack of accountability we demand from our children and then turn around and give this girl a free pass for talking like that. Would I be mad at the school for ignoring the comments about Mormons? Would I march down there and yell at them? Absolutely. But I'm guessing the school will say they heard the 'gay' comment and not the other one, so that's what they are dealing with. Just like someone said earlier, the guy who takes the second shot gets flagged. The bottom line is (and what I'd tell my daughter) you can't control what the other kids say or do or think, just what you yourself do. If you don't want to get in trouble for saying something offensive, don't say it. Ever. Come up with a different comeback next time. And Kingbrice, if anyone had used the word "jewish" as another word for dumb around me in school, they'd be vehemently apologizing to me five seconds later or bleeding from the head shortly thereafter. That example definately does not help your case at all. In fact, it tears it to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeah, if they don't want to be fun of for being gay than they just shouldn't chose to be gay. Duh. It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 She should've just said, "That's so Raven," which would've been just as funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 And Kingbrice, if anyone had used the word "jewish" as another word for dumb around me in school, they'd be vehemently apologizing to me five seconds later or bleeding from the head shortly thereafter. That example definately does not help your case at all. In fact, it tears it to shreds. See... that's just it Henry. While I thought the first part of your post was fantastic... I get down to this part, and you're in the same place I am. Ask yourself, what if the kids at school were making fun of you for being Jewish? (or your kids). And your kid gets suspended for fighting or calling them gay (or whatever)... but the kids making the anti-semetic remarks get nothing. You mention you would respond with physical violence if this happened. And honestly, I'd want to as well. Which is why I don't think we should be so quick to judge these Mormon parents who are obviously upset with the situation. People hold their faiths very close to them... it is a sacred cow for the most part. Use of the term "gay" or "ghey", while not 100% socially acceptable or something we really should be doing, is in fact very common with kids today. So I think the treatment was definitely unfair, and the school administrators should definitely be called on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 She should've just said, "That's so Raven," which would've been just as funny. :laugh: That's so Raven (Raven = Stupid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 She should've just said, "That's so Raven," which would've been just as funny. Dude, that's sooo gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 See... that's just it Henry. While I thought the first part of your post was fantastic... I get down to this part, and you're in the same place I am. Ask yourself, what if the kids at school were making fun of you for being Jewish? (or your kids). And your kid gets suspended for fighting or calling them gay (or whatever)... but the kids making the anti-semetic remarks get nothing. You mention you would respond with physical violence if this happened. And honestly, I'd want to as well. Which is why I don't think we should be so quick to judge these Mormon parents who are obviously upset with the situation. People hold their faiths very close to them... it is a sacred cow for the most part. Use of the term "gay" or "ghey", while not 100% socially acceptable or something we really should be doing, is in fact very common with kids today. So I think the treatment was definitely unfair, and the school administrators should definitely be called on it. I agree that the school has not been consistent and that ragging on a child's religion is every bit, if not more serious than ragging on their sexuality. But that does not excuse the misguided insult at gay people. Neither does the fact that it is wide spread. Saying things are gay as if it is tantamount to an insult is wrong on so many levels. It needs to stop and a warning is perfectly appropriate. The other children should have been reprimanded for their comments as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsknbill Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Well that would throw half of my lacrosse team in the principals office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 See... that's just it Henry. While I thought the first part of your post was fantastic... I get down to this part, and you're in the same place I am. Ask yourself, what if the kids at school were making fun of you for being Jewish? (or your kids). And your kid gets suspended for fighting or calling them gay (or whatever)... but the kids making the anti-semetic remarks get nothing. Again, if I got into a fight and got in trouble, for whatever reason, my parents would have been pissed. And they should have been. However, notice the first thing I said was the kid who made the initial slur would be apologizing. I dealt with this exact issure a LOT when I was a kid. I heard people say things like "He's was Jewed out of his money" all the time in school. I can tell you from experience that "I'm sorry, would you care to repeat that to my face" is much more effective than "I'd rather be a dirty Jew than a ****ing Christian!" A freind of mine said that once and got himself in trouble at school. Sound familiar? Confronting beligerence is one thing. Countering a slur with a slur is another. It removes you from the moral high ground. You mention you would respond with physical violence if this happened. And honestly, I'd want to as well. Which is why I don't think we should be so quick to judge these Mormon parents who are obviously upset with the situation. People hold their faiths very close to them... it is a sacred cow for the most part. Use of the term "gay" or "ghey", while not 100% socially acceptable or something we really should be doing, is in fact very common with kids today. It won't be common with my kids. Not on my watch. So I think the treatment was definitely unfair, and the school administrators should definitely be called on it. Depends. If the school official in question didn't hear the Mormon comments, he (or she) can't do much about them, officially. However, the parents should go to the school and tell them they have a problem with religious intolerance, and if I were the teacher in question I might go up to the trouble-makers and tell them I've got my eye on them, even if they got away with it this time. Those are details we can't know from the article though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skindogger47 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That is so gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Saying that's so gay is taken out of context, when people use gay that way, they are using gay to replace retarded, stupid, etc. I don't get why everyone is upset :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Saying that's so gay is taken out of context, when people use gay that way, they are using gay to replace retarded, stupid, etc. I don't get why everyone is upset :whoknows: So you think being gay is synonymous with being stupid? I'm betting you don't but the point is, using the term as an insult, intentional or not, is insulting to every gay person. There are plenty of words in the English language that convey those meanings much more accurately. There is simply no need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeInJc aka M.I.A. Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I just wonder if the student that said "that's so gay" was indeed a gay (lesbian), then would it be ok for her to use it? Just as it has been pretty much deemed acceptable in society for someone of African decent to call each other the "N" word, but when anyone else uses it they think they are being a bigot, which in most cases is true, but not all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 So you think being gay is synonymous with being stupid? I'm betting you don't but the point is, using the term as an insult, intentional or not, is insulting to every gay person. There are plenty of words in the English language that convey those meanings much more accurately. There is simply no need for it. Yeah ... let's not use gay instead of stupid. KB apparently uses 'Jewish', and I've experienced Irish and Polish :doh:. Let's just use American as a synonym for stupid. You guys have a thick skin about these kinds of things so it shouldn't be a problem. That's sooooo American. See ... now THAT'S funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixote Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 this is soooo gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Saying that's so gay is taken out of context, when people use gay that way, they are using gay to replace retarded, stupid, etc. I don't get why everyone is upset :whoknows: I think you answered your own post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If you say, "That's so gay" to someone as an insult, it is wrong. But if you say, "That's so gay" and are referring to a gay porno or something, then it is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeah ... let's not use gay instead of stupid. KB apparently uses 'Jewish', and I've experienced Irish and Polish :doh:.Let's just use American as a synonym for stupid. You guys have a thick skin about these kinds of things so it shouldn't be a problem. That's sooooo American. See ... now THAT'S funny. If we keep going the way we're going that could very well be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 So you think being gay is synonymous with being stupid? I'm betting you don't but the point is, using the term as an insult, intentional or not, is insulting to every gay person. There are plenty of words in the English language that convey those meanings much more accurately. There is simply no need for it. But even gay people use it, so it's not like it's just something everyone else that isn't gay says. This world is too PC :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgSkinFan Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I say it out in public with friends and it never gets a reaction...I think it's still pretty well accepted in a lot of circles. Fortunately when I was in school nobody cared about remarks like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 But even gay people use it, so it's not like it's just something everyone else that isn't gay says. This world is too PC :2cents: The gay people I know don't use it and don't approve of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I say it out in public with friends and it never gets a reaction...I think it's still pretty well accepted in a lot of circles. Fortunately when I was in school nobody cared about remarks like this. That may be true but it doesn't make it right. Slavery was pretty well accepted in a lot of circles at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 But even gay people use it, so it's not like it's just something everyone else that isn't gay says. This world is too PC :2cents: So I can start using the N-word because black people say it. Cool. Thanks, 89. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 So I can start using the N-word because black people say it. Cool. Thanks, 89. :thumbsup: Go ahead, I'll be over here though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwyl Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 ...After Rice got a warning and a notation in her file, ... This is the part that jumps out at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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