TLusby Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I believe we will be O.K. and will not have to break the bank to resign Dockery. It appears that there are quite a bit of decent OL that he will have to compete with in FA: Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks Kris Dielman, UFA, San Diego Damion McIntosh, UFA, Miami Dolphins Scout.com has an insider section that someone has stated that the team and Dockery are far apart. Who knows? We all know that if our Redskin players hit FA; we typically do not sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darc Requiem Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Well, I hope we resign him. Continuity is very important for an offensive line. Our o-line did not give up many sacks at all last year and opened some nice holes for our RBs. The best way for us to continue to get good line play is to keep the unit together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4481 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 We better sign Dockery. The line was playing great at the end of the year and we need to keep this group together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinamo Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I thought coaches liked Dockery.... In either case "pork chop" Womack is the best replacement. Also, Todd Steussie and Jordan Black should be good upgrades as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dockery is more valuable to us than any other FA guard, he knows our system and our players and has played well for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 i really hope we resign him but something tells me he is gone. maybe gibbs wants a faster guard for that counter pull thing he used to run back in the day that made them so successful. its a known fact that dockery is slooooooow. but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 i really hope we resign him but something tells me he is gone. maybe gibbs wants a faster guard for that counter pull thing he used to run back in the day that made them so successful. its a known fact that dockery is slooooooow. but who knows. DING DING DING, we have a winner...I love Dock, but Al Saunders needs speeeeeed at the line to run his stupid gimick offense. Dock is the worst puller on the team, he is clumsy. I say re-sign him and tell Saunders to suck one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 DING DING DING, we have a winner...I love Dock, but Al Saunders needs speeeeeed at the line to run his stupid gimick offense. Dock is the worst puller on the team, he is clumsy. I say re-sign him and tell Saunders to suck one. i dont think the gibbs counter was a gimmick play, it worked wonders for the skins back in the day, they might be trying to do more of that type stuff that just plain old plow plow plow. remember, a fast big guy could do both plow downhill running and the pull. dock is very one dimensional in that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I thought coaches liked Dockery.... In either case "pork chop" Womack is the best replacement. Also, Todd Steussie and Jordan Black should be good upgrades as well. I would prefer to keep Dockery, but if we have to replace him... Eric Steinbach would be the best replacement IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocono Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I believe we will be O.K. and will not have to break the bank to resign Dockery. It appears that there are quite a bit of decent OL that he will have to compete with in FA:Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks Kris Dielman, UFA, San Diego Damion McIntosh, UFA, Miami Dolphins Scout.com has an insider section that someone has stated that the team and Dockery are far apart. Who knows? We all know that if our Redskin players hit FA; we typically do not sign them. Where is the list of decent G's that he has to compete with? He's the 2nd or 3rd best UFA G available on this list which enhances his value and not lessens it. There are 64 starting G's in this league which means plenty of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dock has improved every year and consistency has been a problem for us. However if we lost him we could definitely upgrade through FA but with our FA history I could be very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dock needs to understand that he benefits greatly by playing next to an all-pro tackle. he also gets WAY too many penalties. that is why they are far apart right now, he has a self-inflated value. Smauels has said he really wants Dock back, which gives him leverage, and would be willing to restructure to accomodate. the only problem with this is that Samuels contract is already so ridiculous that any changes would just add to its excess. we will pretty much be forced to have a 47 year old LT counting the same # in millions against the cap. Dock needs to recognize how great a situation this is for him and come down to a more reasonable #.IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozskin Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I want him to stay, but i have a feelin he wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksun247 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 WE all (most of us) want Dockery to remain a Redskin, but this is a business. Money TALKS. He's still a young guy, so he'll probably be looking to get PAID. Unlike Ladell, who took a decent amount of $$$ to remain on the team. Who knows. Maybe DOCK just want to see what's out there. With that being said. I hope we offer him a decent amount of $$$ and don't break the bank for one player, like we've been known to do. CONTINUITY IS KEY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 WE all (most of us) want Dockery to remain a Redskin, but this is a business. Money TALKS. He's still a young guy, so he'll probably be looking to get PAID. Unlike Ladell, who took a decent amount of $$$ to remain on the team. Who knows. Maybe DOCK just want to see what's out there. With that being said. I hope we offer him a decent amount of $$$ and don't break the bank for one player, like we've been known to do. CONTINUITY IS KEY!!! Money does talk, and up until this point the Redskins money is always more interested in talking to people outside the organization. Hopefully they will learn to value their own players and ditch the grass is always greener attitude. Losing Dockery would be in the same ballpark as losing Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, Fred Smoot and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If we don't re-sign Dock I think Steinbach would be a great fit for our running game. He's a bit out of place in Cinci's system pass blocking all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 i dont think the gibbs counter was a gimmick play, it worked wonders for the skins back in the day, they might be trying to do more of that type stuff that just plain old plow plow plow. remember, a fast big guy could do both plow downhill running and the pull. dock is very one dimensional in that aspect. No, Gibbs offense isn't gimmicky. But Gibbs offense likes big linemen. I realize he also uses the counter gap pull, but its different than the stretch play pulling in Saunders' scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dock needs to understand that he benefits greatly by playing next to an all-pro tackle. he also gets WAY too many penalties. that is why they are far apart right now, he has a self-inflated value. Smauels has said he really wants Dock back, which gives him leverage, and would be willing to restructure to accomodate. the only problem with this is that Samuels contract is already so ridiculous that any changes would just add to its excess. we will pretty much be forced to have a 47 year old LT counting the same # in millions against the cap. Dock needs to recognize how great a situation this is for him and come down to a more reasonable #.IMO. All good points but most guys look forward to free agency. Whether money is more important or football success with the signing that took place last off season w/ big Steve Hutchinson, at this point money talks. To go from a superbowl appearance season to a team w/ a new head coach and QB issues the money was the only thing that mattered...granted it was $49 million. Let's hope Dock understands the situation, realizes his abilities and inabilities, and does what's best for him and his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksun247 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Money does talk, and up until this point the Redskins money is always more interested in talking to people outside the organization. Hopefully they will learn to value their own players and ditch the grass is always greener attitude.Losing Dockery would be in the same ballpark as losing Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, Fred Smoot and so on. TRUE. But if we can find a better talent that will UPGRADE our team, I have no problem with that. (JUST DON'T BREAK THE BANK!!! I would like to see us keep our own players, but that's hardly been our style. CHEMISTRY is hard to develop if we keep bringing in outsiders to our organization. BOTTOM LINE: I just want the best team on the field that will WIN games for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=116 After looking at his profile I forgot he converted from a RT/RG in college to a left guard. The guy was definitely a steal in the 3rd round and is young in OL/guard years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I have a feeling Dockery is asking for a ton of money anywhere from the 4m-5m a year range. I'm not sure if he's worth that. I'm still waiting for the complete specifics on the OG Vince Manuwai's deal from the Jaguars to gauge a good range for what Dockery should be offered. He is a very similiar player to Dockery, but a little bit better imo. I do know that Manuwai's base salary is 3 million a year @ 5 years from nflpa.org. So I'm just gonna guestimate his signing bonus at around 7.5 million and you've got a deal worth over 4 milllion a year. So is Dockery worth 4-5 million a year? Maybe, but the team might let Dockery go and use the money on Nate Clements. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 DING DING DING, we have a winner...I love Dock, but Al Saunders needs speeeeeed at the line to run his stupid gimick offense. Dock is the worst puller on the team, he is clumsy. I say re-sign him and tell Saunders to suck one. we aren't running Saunders' poodle offense anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrell1106 Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 TRUE. But if we can find a better talent that will UPGRADE our team, I have no problem with that. (JUST DON'T BREAK THE BANK!!! I would like to see us keep our own players, but that's hardly been our style. CHEMISTRY is hard to develop if we keep bringing in outsiders to our organization. BOTTOM LINE: I just want the best team on the field that will WIN games for us. The question is, what is an upgrade? Is being an athletic guard enough to let go of a previous 3rd round pick that has worked hard and actually improved while being with you. I think locking up Dockery will say a lot to the team and about the organization regardless of who they get to fill his spot. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Made Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 If he hits the FA market, Dockery is good as gone I have a feeling. This Free Agency market will be very inflated due to the new CBA and a lot of teams have 20M+ cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 TRUE. But if we can find a better talent that will UPGRADE our team, I have no problem with that. (JUST DON'T BREAK THE BANK!!! I would like to see us keep our own players, but that's hardly been our style. CHEMISTRY is hard to develop if we keep bringing in outsiders to our organization. BOTTOM LINE: I just want the best team on the field that will WIN games for us. I'm sure the Redskins always have the best of intentions in free agency. I'm sure they thought that Adam Archuleta would be an improvement over Ryan Clark. I bought into that line of thinking last year, but not anymore. If something is performing at a high level as is, there's no need to tinker with it. Our line was top notch with Dockery in the lineup. Better to keep that rolling than uproot it and put your confidence into an unknown element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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