Congratulations America

[Enter Apotheosis]

The country has been polarized ever since Clinton took office. The reason for that polarization goes back to the anti-war "counter culture" movement of the 1960s.

The only reason this country wasn't as polarized in the 80s was because of the Cold War. It was polarized in the 60s because of Civil Rights, in the 70s because of Vietnam, and at numerous other points in our history (Civil War, perhaps?).

[Burgold]

Wait, you're right...I imagined him doing a victory dance over Michael Steele's body. Nope, I checked. That's what he did.

Boy, I don't think you've ever seen a victory dance. My victory dances embarrass TO and Chad Johnson for their excessive lavishness. There was even a cautionary note to Dems at the end and two posts later, I blamed the Clinton era for starting the extreme polarization.

On Steele:

I do oppose the type of campaign Steele ran. He ran away from his ideals. Refused to take stances on issues. And it was all glitz and sleight of hand. I think that is the type of politician we don't need in office. I think his campaign was sleezey and dishonest. I am glad he lost mostly because of that.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Check out this article on Jeffersonian Democracy (tailored after Jefferson and tell me how the Democrats' election threatens any of those ideals.

Interesting read. I might be more willing to believe it if it was from a REAL source rather than wikipedia, but I will say this.... If that TRULY is what this country was founded on, then this country is no better than France, England, or every other country on this planet, and human society doesn't deserve to exist here either.

The American people got tired of the rubber stamp, do-nothing Congress and voted them out on their asses. (Checks and balances) The Democratic party is certainly not the party accused most often of inserting religious doctrine into governmental functions (ie. prayer in schools, 10 commandments in courthouses.) And the freedoms of individuals (to get an abortion, to make a phone call without government wiretapping, to marry someone of the same sex, etc.) are at far greater risk under Republican representation. These are facts.

A do-nothing Congress is exactly what this country NEEDS.

I believe that morals were one of the founding concepts of this country and last time I checked MURDER wasn't a freedom.

The fact that the country is less safe now than it was when the Republicans took power has been pretty conclusively demonstrated. (Now that the election is over, wait for James Baker's committee's report which will indicate as such.) North Korea and Iran either have nukes now or will have them soon under this Congress's watch. The Taliban is returning to Afganistan. Terrorist sentiment grows with every day we're in Iraq and every uninvolved civilian that we kill. How can it get any worse?.

I wouldn't say less safe. We're not as safe as we should be, but that's a conversation for another time. It WILL get worse because the Liberals will remove many of the barricades in place to the people who hate us killing American citizens.

Meanwhile, the Democrats haven't proposed tax hikes at all. (Sorry, Rush and Karl.) They're just going to roll back the provisions of the tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of Americans needlessly given by this Congress IN A TIME OF WAR.

Removing tax cuts are the same thing as tax increases. Especially since they're going to have to raise taxes to pay for all the unConstitutional programs they'll be looking to put in place. Libs don't need to SAY they'll raise taxes... it's part of their core policy.

And I doubt this country is becoming less moral by electing politicians that don't come from the party of Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Ted Haggard, and Mark Foley.

I won't disagree that there are slimeballs on both sides of the aisle. I just believe there are more dangerous ones on the Liberal side of the aisle.

I saved the best for last. Exactly how much of your money do you think is being given away to for-profit contractors in Iraq like Halliburton on no-bid contracts? The United States Government is giving away more of YOUR money MORE corruptly than at any point in our nation's history.

They aren't giving it to welfare moms or public schools, objects of your scorn. They're giving it to multi-billion dollar corporations getting fatter and fatter and fatter off of the blood of American soldiers, and have interested parties in the White House and a vested interest in prolonged, needless war. Wake up and smell the corrupt billion-dollar war machine, dude.

I would prefer it to go to companies like Haliburton that at least provide a service than to the unConstitutional and immoral programs that the Liberals seem to favor.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

My guess is since he has chosen to live in Mass. He may opt for someplace seriously less socialistic in its political leanings. In two weeks, we will all receive a postcard from Paris Skins Fan.

No, as was commented on by others, the US was the last bastion of potential for a proper society/government/country on the planet. If this country is no longer on that track (or never has been as one poster proposes), then there is no more hope for humanity to rise above the level of virus that it currently is.

At that point the only proper, moral option for those of us who understand the difference between Right and Wrong would be suicide.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

At that point the only proper, moral option for those of us who understand the difference between Right and Wrong would be suicide.

That seems as hypocritical or ironic as anything I've ever heard.

The only thing for people who can distinguish between right and wrong would be to take his/her own life?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Ut oh Mass is gona go postal

On rince and Liberty?

On himself.

Not postal. I'm talking about cold, calculated actions in an attempt to right the wrongs going on in this country. Part of the country tried it in 1860 and unfortunately failed. We're getting very close to a point where, if the citizens are getting the society/government they WANT, and that isn't something I believe to be right, I really don't see the point in continuing to live here. Since there isn't anywhere else for me to go, what other option would I have than suicide?

at the risk of calling your bluff, not likely since your ego is way to large (and you're too much of a coward) to pull the trigger, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself and quit whining. You're one of the biggist victims (drama Queen) I've ever seen. cut back on the coffee and get rid of your guns, you're a danger to yourself and others.

Who knows, we'll have to see how things work out.

I'm not feeling sorry for MYSELF. I voted for the very limited selection of reasonable candidates on the ballot I was handed last night. They both lost in landslides. Therefore, so far as I'm concerned this government no longer represents me, and therefore I do not feel compelled to follow any of it's restrictions that I find improper.

I don't drink coffee and I will never relinquish my firearms except via violent force.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Interesting read. I might be more willing to believe it if it was from a REAL source rather than wikipedia, but I will say this.... If that TRULY is what this country was founded on, then this country is no better than France, England, or every other country on this planet, and human society doesn't deserve to exist here either.

You realize that our country WAS founded based on the principles of European enlightenment thinkers (i.e. John Locke), right? Most of said principle also are directly contradictory to what you seem to believe. What you're actually in favor of is a totalitarian dictatorship with genuine, no-holds-barred capitalism.

[redhog]

We're going to be a whole lot WORSE off with what you helped put in their place, believe you me.

You clearly did not read my whole post, I feel a Nancy P led House will do more damage, the problem is our elected republicans did nada with their time, why would the American public keep them in? hopefully this is a wake up that their base is serious about our beliefs.

[jbooma]

No, as was commented on by others, the US was the last bastion of potential for a proper society/government/country on the planet. If this country is no longer on that track (or never has been as one poster proposes), then there is no more hope for humanity to rise above the level of virus that it currently is.

At that point the only proper, moral option for those of us who understand the difference between Right and Wrong would be suicide.

You do know the dems that won are Reagan Disciples right?? Yes the democrats won, but it is not the liberal dems that you are so afraid of :doh:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Not postal. I'm talking about cold, calculated actions in an attempt to right the wrongs going on in this country. Part of the country tried it in 1860 and unfortunately failed. We're getting very close to a point where, if the citizens are getting the society/government they WANT, and that isn't something I believe to be right, I really don't see the point in continuing to live here. Since there isn't anywhere else for me to go, what other option would I have than suicide?

Who knows, we'll have to see how things work out.

I'm not feeling sorry for MYSELF. I voted for the very limited selection of reasonable candidates on the ballot I was handed last night. They both lost in landslides. Therefore, so far as I'm concerned this government no longer represents me, and therefore I do not feel compelled to follow any of it's restrictions that I find improper.

I don't drink coffee and I will never relinquish my firearms except via violent force.

I might be spinning my wheels since you haven't gotten to my first couple posts in this thread, but do you honestly believe that there could be some sort of violent revolution in this country? I don't see it happening.

[Ax]

"Congratulations America!"

"Tell them what they've won Bob!"

Absolutley nothing!

Now, BOTH parties will spend 95% of their energy on the upcoming 2008 election. That is ALL they care about. If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself.

Republicans will now play the role the Democrats have occupied during their minorityhood. Block anything and everything that might help the opposition, regardless of whether it's good for the country.

Dems made it there life's calling to make Repub's pay for impeaching Clinton. Who had gone after him because of Dems getting tricky Dick. Now, the Repub's will be looking for revenge. Rinse and repeat.

The only major difference between the parties today, (in reality, not philosophically) is the spelling of their names.

Unless and until an Independent wins EVERY Race in one of these elections, nothing will change. It would only have to happen once.

You want real change? That's the ONLY way to do it.

[SkinInsite]

I'm not feeling sorry for MYSELF. I voted for the very limited selection of reasonable candidates on the ballot I was handed last night. They both lost in landslides. Therefore, so far as I'm concerned this government no longer represents me, and therefore I do not feel compelled to follow any of it's restrictions that I find improper.

Ha that's great :laugh:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

:secret: umm, not sure that the type of ammunition matters.

a .45acp at close range? You could have wad-cutters in there, wouldn't make a difference.

Actually, the ammunition I use for target shooting would not work terribly well, so I made sure the 230gr., +P, JHP's were in the magazine. I don't want to risk the chance of not getting the job totally done. Especially considering the stone and concrete my skull is made out of.

[Pedro]

Interesting read. I might be more willing to believe it if it was from a REAL source rather than wikipedia, but I will say this.... If that TRULY is what this country was founded on, then this country is no better than France, England, or every other country on this planet, and human society doesn't deserve to exist here either.

A do-nothing Congress is exactly what this country NEEDS.

I believe that morals were one of the founding concepts of this country and last time I checked MURDER wasn't a freedom.

I wouldn't say less safe. We're not as safe as we should be, but that's a conversation for another time. It WILL get worse because the Liberals will remove many of the barricades in place to the people who hate us killing American citizens.

Removing tax cuts are the same thing as tax increases. Especially since they're going to have to raise taxes to pay for all the unConstitutional programs they'll be looking to put in place. Libs don't need to SAY they'll raise taxes... it's part of their core policy.

I won't disagree that there are slimeballs on both sides of the aisle. I just believe there are more dangerous ones on the Liberal side of the aisle.

I would prefer it to go to companies like Haliburton that at least provide a service than to the unConstitutional and immoral programs that the Liberals seem to favor.

Reading your posts MSF I can see you're a deranged ****wit, but saying humanity doesn't deserve to exist in England etc? You live in a 'I'm right everyone else is wrong world' - 1 small step from a pyscho. Go kill yourself and make the world a better place, write a letter saying I said to do it so I get my name in the news too . I'm guessing you just don't have the balls, prove me wrong you sausage smoker.

I did wonder on the replacement persona for acting like a (funny) ****wit would be now Borat is too well known...

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Sorry man but France is ruled by Republicans since 1985 !!!

Please show me where I've used the words "Democrat" or "Republican" this morning. I've used the words "Liberal" and "Conservative". HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[Burgold]

Not cool, Pedro.

[SkinInsite]

Reading your posts MSF I can see you're a deranged ****wit, but saying humanity doesn't deserve to exist in England etc? You live in a 'I'm right everyone else is wrong world' - 1 small step from a pyscho. Go kill yourself and make the world a better place, write a letter saying I said to do it so I get my name in the news too . I'm guessing you just don't have the balls, prove me wrong you sausage smoker.

I did wonder on the replacement persona for acting like a (funny) ****wit would be now Borat is too well known...

Come on man you know personal insults aren't allowed around here, just sling mud toward a whole group of people next time and you should be fine.

[DeanCollins]

Did anyone see Howard Dean on Hardball last night?

Wow... Matthews almost made him **** his pants. He kept pressing Dean for a plan on Iraq. Dean was stumbling like a 2nd grade ESL student with a speach impediment. :laugh:

Finally Dean said that he would not disclose his plan, but their position was that we need to get out of Iraq.

Then Matthews said... 'that's sad, because millions of Americans are going to the polls tonight and showing your party confidence, and you don't even have a plan'.

.....

not a fan of HD, but that line of questioning is about as ridiculous as asking the fed govt. what their plan for hurricane katrina was on days 1-60?? Or what's their plan for curring cancer.

not to mention the numerous "plans" that the gop implemented failed, so how does that leave them "one up"? It doesn't, it's a just a trick question.

Iraq is quagmire just like vietnam. The is no simple solution, just trial and error and if you don't think so, then what's your plan?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Mass, can you explain why our philosophies are moving closer to that of the Soviet Union? I'm interested in things like this (not doubting your opinion).

Sure. We're moving towards a society where the Government is in control of everything. A government where the State knows best and will tell all of us citizens what is best for us. Where the State will tell us how to spend our money. Take a look at everything the Liberals in this country stand for... It's Socialism in its worst light. It won't be the same as the USSR, but it will be a shadow of it, if they get their way.

Also, if you truly are serious about what you were saying before, why would you honestly prefer to take your own life just because the politics of this country are shifting once again? Aren't there bigger things to live for than the cluster**** that is our federal government?

I have certain beliefs about how humanity/society/government is supposed to opperate and what the proper roles of these things are. I cannot and will not live in a country where those ideas are totally non-existant. The US was the last country on this planet that agreed with ANY of those concepts, nevermind the majority of them. Since the US seems hell-bent to move away from those concepts, there really isn't any place left for me to go. Like a cornered animal, I must fight or die. I'd rather die with dignity than to live with shame or to fight a battle I know I can't win.

[Pedro]

Come on man you know personal insults aren't allowed around here, just sling mud toward a whole group of people next time and you should be fine.

Yeah I know. We reap what we sow. I'm happy with and accept it. I'm still listening for the bang though. Sad thing is I would happily pull the trigger if I get all people with such polarised views from whichever side but then that just makes me as bad.

I'm a bad man.

A very bad man

But then I do believe I have the right as a human being to live, hell I even think the French do and I don't like them at all (except the ones I have met and known, they were all fine, it's all the others who are not...)

[Mass_SkinsFan]

That seems as hypocritical or ironic as anything I've ever heard.

The only thing for people who can distinguish between right and wrong would be to take his/her own life?

TD, when an animal is cornered and hugely outnumbered there are really three options... Fight a battle it knows it can't win, accept the leadership and society of the outnumbering animals, or kill itself/allow itself to die.

Personally, I believe that the third is the proper option in the vast majority of cases.

[alexey]

Where the State will tell us how to spend our money.

TV already does that...

Problems you are talking about are fundamental to human psyche, not just our (or any other) form or current state of Government.

No alternative form of government can prevent this. It would follow the same pattern over and over again.

The only way to prevent this is to make better humans, i.e. humans better able to overcome instinct.

[alexey]

TD, when an animal is cornered and hugely outnumbered there are really three options... Fight a battle it knows it can't win, accept the leadership and society of the outnumbering animals, or kill itself/allow itself to die.

Another option would be to realize that there is no corner, to stop being a cornered animal.

The feeling of being cornered is a function of animalistic instinct.

[pez]

Many of you here should know not to even bother with arguing with MSF's "My way or the highway", "horse blinders on" attitude. Luckily his extremeist attitude is limited in the population, or our country would be in real peril.

I believe that this election has been more intended as a wake up call to the republican party. The people in this country are obviously fed up with their ways, and want to promote change.... hopefully the Republicans are paying attention to this...

[Henry]

God bless America and everyone who voted. No matter for whom.

Amen.

Sadly, that's the most quality sentiment I've read in this entire thread, and it was in the first post.

And the usual suspects have completely derailed yet another thread. And while that's not against any rules or anything, once we start encouraging people to go off themselves I think it's time to pick another topic.