ChocolateCitySkin Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Curious as to how people generally felt about this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Curious as to how people generally felt about this issue. saying yes is like saying, "yes i would like the terrorist free acses to smugling nuclear suitcase bombs into our country! yes i would like mass murder to be daily here, yes i would like to die!"congress better step in or I WILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Most likely divided we stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 The Dubai company should operate it, our customs service and border patrol should secure it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Only with US born citizens. and yes you can be born overseas and be a us citizen so save your breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 The Dubai company should operate it, our customs service and border patrol should secure it ok so would you rather a foriegn country to control our ports when all the liberals are whinning about our countrys economy??? if there was a fencing/swordfighting smliley i would put that where the X is, "X and touche!" stop whining about our good economy with only a 4.8 national unemployment rating (cant bring the other stats up off the top of my head, but they DO prove my point) if you want foriegn countries unlimited acsess to our trade ports, it contradicts liberal view points. but that is just one aspect, the UAE is known to house terrorists, so i really dont think there is much to debatethe equivalent to this would be to let the Japs take control of midway freely in 1942; first rule of battle do NOT give your enemy the advantage, second rule: do NOT make his job easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 ok so would you rather a foriegn country to control our ports when all the liberals are whinning about our countrys economy??? if there was a fencing/swordfighting smliley i would put that where the X is, "X and touche!" stop whining about our good economy with only a 4.8 national unemployment rating (cant bring the other stats up off the top of my head, but they DO prove my point) if you want foriegn countries unlimited acsess to our trade ports, it contradicts liberal view points. but that is just one aspect, the UAE is known to house terrorists, so i really dont think there is much to debatethe equivalent to this would be to let the Japs take control of midway freely in 1942; first rule of battle do NOT give your enemy the advantage, second rule: do NOT make his job easier Umm first of all calling me a liberal is like calling Jimmy Carter conservative :laugh: 2nd of all, if you want to put a major dent in Osama's pardigam, as well as help the people of the Middle East (because after all that is why we are there right?) you cooperate economically as much as possible. Ultimately our ideals will follow our commerce into these nations Dubai is one of the more progressive states in the middle east. Doing business with them is a smart idea, it is an emerging tiger over there But if you want us to show that we are interested in isolating terrorists and not Muslims, then we make this move, and have the US border patrol there, and customs, and make every worker there get TSSCI access to work there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Actually I think customs and various other government firms should control the port, but that Dubai should be allowed to own the port, charge usage fees and repair cranes. So I guess my check goes in the no category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I vote yes... they should be allowed. It wasn't Muslim companies that attacked us on 9-11. It was Muslim extremists. Hell... the Muslim establishment (Pakistan) has helped us turn over some of these Al Queda clowns. If we let a foreign country control it at all... it wasn't a big deal to begin with. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Umm first of all calling me a liberal is like calling Jimmy Carter conservative :laugh: 2nd of all, if you want to put a major dent in Osama's pardigam, as well as help the people of the Middle East (because after all that is why we are there right?) you cooperate economically as much as possible. Ultimately our ideals will follow our commerce into these nations Dubai is one of the more progressive states in the middle east. Doing business with them is a smart idea, it is an emerging tiger over there But if you want us to show that we are interested in isolating terrorists and not Muslims, then we make this move, and have the US border patrol there, and customs, and make every worker there get TSSCI access to work there well for the record i didnt mean to call YOU a liberal, i just wanted to say that their whole idea on the economy is flawed if they want to hand over control of the port to the arabs. also when you say that it will have a "trickle down effect" on the middle east its not a risk im willing to take; there are other ways to reach out to them economically than handing over our ports to them. to tell you the truth i wouldnt even let canada or britain run any of our ports. the only country i truley trust is australia, britain a close second, but this is OUR country, not theirs, let them trade with us not control our trade (same aplies to chinese business takeovers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 well for the record i didnt mean to call YOU a liberal, i just wanted to say that their whole idea on the economy is flawed if they want to hand over control of the port to the arabs. also when you say that it will have a "trickle down effect" on the middle east its not a risk im willing to take; there are other ways to reach out to them economically than handing over our ports to them. to tell you the truth i wouldnt even let canada or britain run any of our ports. the only country i truley trust is australia, britain a close second, but this is OUR country, not theirs, let them trade with us not control our trade (same aplies to chinese business takeovers) Britian did control the port though. The Dubai company bought out the British company and that is where we are today It is not about the trickle down effect, it is about the PR effect. In essence if we block this deal we are saying "all you Muslims are no good terrorists" Yeah, that is going to play over real well. This will be frontpage news in every paper in the middle east if its blocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Britian did control the port though. The Dubai company bought out the British company and that is where we are todayIt is not about the trickle down effect, it is about the PR effect. In essence if we block this deal we are saying "all you Muslims are no good terrorists" Yeah, that is going to play over real well. This will be frontpage news in every paper in the middle east if its blocked its a risk i think america cannot take, i mean what if you are wrong what does that do for us? if im wrong at least no one dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 its a risk i think america cannot take, i mean what if you are wrong what does that do for us? if im wrong at least no one dies You really don;t think nobody dies if you are wrong? This is going to be a HUGE propaganda tool Like I said it'll be front page news "US Congress blocks Dubai company from port purchase" with a one sided article. It will further show this is not a war against terror, but a war against all Muslims because clearly Muslims and terrorists are the same and therefore a Muslim company cannot assume ownership of a US port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 You guys act like these ports exist outside of american laws. The dockworkers will still all have to be american citizens, right? The guys keeping the manifests, still all american citizens, right? Where does the chain of command start to be disrupted into foreigners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Britian did control the port though. The Dubai company bought out the British company and that is where we are todayIt is not about the trickle down effect, it is about the PR effect. In essence if we block this deal we are saying "all you Muslims are no good terrorists" Yeah, that is going to play over real well. This will be frontpage news in every paper in the middle east if its blocked Who ****ing cares at this point about how muslims feel? If their so called "moderates" don't make a stand against fundamentalist but have the gall to claim discrimination **** em. It's much easier to beat up on America than to beat up on their own culture. Why because we'll accept guilt. As a religion they can't differentiate themselves from their "counterparts" enough for there not to be a blatant public outcry. So why should americans be expected to differentiate between the two. And what logical reason have we been given? I'm not going on blind faith and buying into the pc nonsense that some of the utopian visionaries cling to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Well, ultra right wing Skinsfan13 is debating with right wing SkinsHokieFan on the merits of allowing a UAE owned company to own six ports in the U.S. Please, keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Who ****ing cares at this point about how muslims feel? If their so called "moderates" don't make a stand against fundamentalist but have the gall to claim discrimination **** em. It's much easier to beat up on America than to beat up on their own culture. Why because we'll accept guilt. As a religion they can't differentiate themselves from their "counterparts" enough for there not to be a blatant public outcry. So why should americans be expected to differentiate between the two. And what logical reason have we been given? I'm not going on blind faith and buying into the pc nonsense that some of the utopian visionaries cling to here. Tell me the last time an American born Muslim bombed something inside US borders I just wish I knew how to create a "large public outcry" against terrorists. I will work on making it happen tommorow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Well, ultra right wing Skinsfan13 is debating with right wing SkinsHokieFan on the merits of allowing a UAE owned company to own six ports in the U.S. Please, keep going. :laugh: Can we label myself as a classic liberal with hawkish foreign policy,who happens to be a Muslim born in America but able to see the forest through the trees? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Tell me the last time an American born Muslim bombed something inside US bordersI just wish I knew how to create a "large public outcry" against terrorists. I will work on making it happen tommorow Exactly the take charge attitude that leads to some of us moving towards a more hardlined stance. Malvo shot a bunch of people. Isn't that good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Question to those opposed to this... should we allow Muslim Air Traffic controllers in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 This is a tough call. It is unfortunate that the Administration has not said anything besides the standard "follow orders or die" statements they usually put out. It would be nice to see the reasoning behind the decision. However, that would be too much to ask from this administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 You guys act like the Dubai people don't care about the money at all. They aren't just getting control of running American ports, but also ports in India and Austrailia. It's more likely something bad will happen in some other port before America. Oh by the way, if something does go wrong... bye-bye money. Bottom line: If something happens, Dubai will be no more. Terrorists are just as likely to set up a cell in the local Deerborn, MI, Toledo, OH, or Lackawanna, NY... McDonalds.... remember... they aren't a stupid enemy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 If China can't buyout IBM than UAE can't buy a port plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Exactly the take charge attitude that leads to some of us moving towards a more hardlined stance.Malvo shot a bunch of people. Isn't that good enough? So did Ted Bundy. Isn't that good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I do agree however that we should stop and make sure everything is okay... but I'm not going to be against this until we have more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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