bubba9497 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Full Article http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2308282 • Think the handwriting is on the wall for Washington Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey, the former first-round choice who started the 2005 season opener, and then was benched by coach Joe Gibbs after just two quarters? When the Redskins hired Kansas City offensive coordinator Al Saunders as assistant head coach and offensive major domo last week, the team called quarterbacks Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell to inform them of the move. No call, though, to Ramsey. And when Saunders addressed the quarterback situation in his first press briefing, he made no mention of Ramsey, either. Washington will seek to deal Ramsey and, if that fails, will almost certainly release him. Arguably the best pass rusher among the pending unrestricted free agents, John Abraham of the New York Jets, almost certainly will be tagged a franchise player for the second spring in a row. It's not that the Jets want to keep Abraham, who had 10½ sacks in 2005, and there is some question as to how he would fit in the 3-4 scheme first-year head coach Eric Mangini will probably feature. Nah, the Jets have had enough of Abraham and will use the marker just to retain his rights so they can trade him. • Given that head coach Jim Mora used the term "huge" to describe the addition of Bill Musgrave to his staff this week, the Atlanta Falcons clearly feel their new quarterbacks coach is the right man to get Michael Vick, who regressed notably in 2005, back on track. And that might be the case, since Musgrave has a solid résumé, and plenty of exposure both as a player in the NFL and a coach to big-time quarterbacks. It was Musgrave who helped to nudge the Joe Gibbs-designed passing game in Washington into the new millennium in 2005 by enhancing its vertical dimension. Musgrave is a noted stickler for mechanics and, as ESPN.com noted last July at summer training camp, Vick's mechanics, starting with his basic footwork, sorely need to improve. But there are a few blemishes, as well, on Musgrave's résumé, and they've so far been overlooked in his new environs. Musgrave resigned as the Carolina Panthers' offensive coordinator only four games into the 2000 season, leaving head coach George Seifert high and dry. After the 2004 season, Musgrave was fired by the Jacksonville Jaguars because coach Jack Del Rio didn't particularly like his design, and the players didn't warm to him, either. And it should be noted that, despite his fine work in 2005, the Redskins allowed him to depart the staff for a lateral coaching position, perhaps because the addition of former Kansas City offensive coordinator Al Saunders gives Washington an offensive staff top-heavy with titles and the potential for a lot of stepped-on toes. Musgrave may well be the guy who transforms Vick from a strong-armed thrower into an accurate passer. If he does, Mora's description of his hiring as "huge" will definitely be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons of washington Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I thought we had offered contracts to all our coaches I think it is b@#$ s!@t that we sign coaches and they feel like they can leave when they like we just signed him last year im sure to more than 1 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-O-G Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Ramsey and Lavar for Abraham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I thought we had offered contracts to all our coaches I think it is b@#$ s!@t that we sign coaches and they feel like they can leave when they like we just signed him last year im sure to more than 1 year Well, we DID have to give Atlanta permission.. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 dumbest thing I've read. If they can't find a trade partner, they'll release him. Why? If you aren't going to get anything in return. Then you keep him until his deal is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I do not know why Pastabelly feels Ramsey would be released if we couldn't find a trade partner. That would be ridiculous. He would be kept if we could't find a trade partner -- I believe he would be 1.7 million on the cap - which isn't much for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 PASTABELLY'S A MORON...and thats a threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I do not know why Pastabelly feels Ramsey would be released if we couldn't find a trade partner. That would be ridiculous. He would be kept if we could't find a trade partner -- I believe he would be 1.7 million on the cap - which isn't much for a QB. It is for a qb that you don't want on the team. I was wondering if Saundes aboard that there might be hope for Ramsey, but if this is correct then he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC4 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Ramsey and Lavar for Abraham? That's too much for Abraham We should get a 2nd or 3rd rounder from the Jets tossed in for good measure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 I do not know why Pastabelly feels Ramsey would be released if we couldn't find a trade partner. That would be ridiculous. He would be kept if we could't find a trade partner -- I believe he would be 1.7 million on the cap - which isn't much for a QB. because Lenny's trying to gum up trade value, he did the same for Gardner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 dumbest thing I've read.If they can't find a trade partner, they'll release him. Why? If you aren't going to get anything in return. Then you keep him until his deal is up. Exactly. But then I'm not surprised - the next time I see Lenny make anything other than a vague, conclusory mention of the salary cap in his articles (e.g. "they're in cap trouble") will be the first time. It's no wonder he's missing these alternative angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I like how he tried to create some imaginary discontent among out coaching staff. How could you possibly suggest egos bumping heads in the coaching staff when they only added one more coach. Who, by the way, has never been a HC and since he definitely had a great chance to be one in Oakland STILL choose to be OC in Washington. Furthermore, he's just started and it's the off-season. If there was ever going to be any problems among the coaches it would happen when they would actually need to work together, not now, when nobody in the organization is doing much of anything but press conferences and signing camp fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 No way Ramsey will just be released. He's inexpensive so if need be we can keep him. There will be a market for Patrick. It's not like he's been a bum when he's played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbar3383 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 dumbest thing I've read.If they can't find a trade partner, they'll release him. Why? If you aren't going to get anything in return. Then you keep him until his deal is up. Because that is Gibbs. Gibbs is too much of a good man to stand in Ramseys path. Ramsey can be a good starter somewhere else and he knows it. Most people, including you it seems, would keep Ramsey buried on the bench therefore eliminating a chance to take a starting job elsewhere. You dont have to agree with Gibbs, but you have to respect him. Besides, most people who dont agree with Gibbs, usually wind up eating a lot of crow. Thats a fact. Edit : to add that this is a moot point anyway. You know we will get something for Ramsey. Its inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I like how he tried to create some imaginary discontent among out coaching staff. How could you possibly suggest egos bumping heads in the coaching staff when they only added one more coach. Who, by the way, has never been a HC and since he definitely had a great chance to be one in Oakland STILL choose to be OC in Washington. Furthermore, he's just started and it's the off-season. If there was ever going to be any problems among the coaches it would happen when they would actually need to work together, not now, when nobody in the organization is doing much of anything but press conferences and signing camp fodder. I thought Saunders had a short HC stint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ComebackKing Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Ramsey and Lavar for Abraham? Makes more sense than Lavar for Carson Palmer... OR peyton Manning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Ramsey and a third rounder for Abraham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Don't worry about the overrated Abraham being a Redskin. He doesn't fit with what the Redskins like to have their DEs do within the scheme. Getting Abraham would be like having a Lavar on the defensive line and we all know the troubles Lavar had just getting onto the field. So in short, if Abraham can't play LB in a 3-4 scheme, he won't be able to play LB here in D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 Ramsey and a third rounder for Abraham? :doh: Abraham & a third rounder for Ramsey a starting QB > starting DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 dumbest thing I've read.If they can't find a trade partner, they'll release him. Why? If you aren't going to get anything in return. Then you keep him until his deal is up. This is obviously a fatal flaw in your character, Bufford. This is Lenny P. we're talking about. You're just the type of person that would bring an M16 to a pencil fight..... :laugh: J/k. You're right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 :doh: Abraham & a third rounder for Ramsey a starting QB > starting DE Each player is different, you cant say that for every starting QB is > then a starting DE I know that I would take Dwight Freeney over Kyle Boller, JP Loseman (or whoever is starting for the Bills that week, AJ Feeley, Warner, Harrington, Dilfer, Collins, you get my drift. Ramsey doesnt have a lot of trade value and other teams know that. so in this situation I wouldnt say a Starting QB is more valuable then a starting DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 because Lenny's trying to gum up trade value, he did the same for Gardner. NFL general managers base their trade value of a player off of what LP says? Oh man, you are going above and beyond to salvage your prediction that the Skins would get a 2nd for Gardner last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 :doh: Abraham & a third rounder for Ramsey a starting QB > starting DE Are you serious? Look at Abrahams career stats and PB berths compared to Ramsey. Hey, Mike McMahon is a starting QB as much as Ramsey is. I hope the Eagles get Abraham and a 3rd for him! You are on a roll today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I thought Saunders had a short HC stint. took over when Coryell retired if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 :doh: Abraham & a third rounder for Ramsey a starting QB > starting DE Bubba Ramse is not a starting QB We should hope for a 3rd maybe second rounder for Ramsey, thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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