TaylorPickSix Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Tell Mr. Snyder to gas up Redskins One come free agency season, because we need this guy. More than anything else. Snyder has done a great job the past two seasons not overpaying for FAs in the Gibbs Years. This year he needs to do it, but for just one man. John Abraham. A pass rush. We need him so bad it hurts. He could put us over the top though. Imagine how much better our defense would be if we had a stud defensive end! Just imagine! So, I am suggesting, let The Danny loose. Let him give Abraham a 10 mil signing bonus and overpay him for almost-Kearse money. I don't care. JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE NEED THIS MAN IN BURGUNDY AND GOLD NEXT YEAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I would be shocked if he's available next season. Not without giving up a draft pick. Which we don't have :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry wilburn Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Have you heard of the salary cap? It's this thing that limits what we can pay players. Not sure you've noticed, but we been handing out some big salaries the past few years. In case you haven't run the numbers, I'll let you in on a secret: we don't have the cash to sign a premium DE. If we did figure a way to fit him in (which is possible) it would be a stupid decision that would bite us in the a** later on -- remember Smoot and Antonio Pierce? Danny's spending is what has been holding this team back and we as fans shouldn't encourage it. I just finished reading the new Belichick book, and it talks about how they never sent limos up to pick up prospective free agents at the airport because it sent a bad message about the priorities of the organization. Sending a jet around the country makes for a good story, but in my opinion, it's just another contributing factor to why this organization is stuck in the mud. By the way, I agree that we need a passrushing DE. Badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bullocks Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Overpaying FAs, and terrible drafting. Honestly, I see your last dud as a complete dud. Canty dropped because of the questions surrounding his ability to play this year, but to package a chunk of your draft to move up to get Campbell....drafting 2 FB's when you have a perfectly capable one in Sellers. Rogers hasn't done anything. And to add to it all, you guys spend like you guys are one or two pieces away from a championship. Snyder is a great business man. Just look at the profit he turns with this team. And as much as I hate you guys, the loyalty amongst your fans is quite good. You guys sell out all the time, even with a lack of success in recent years. It starts with teh front office, and I don't see you guys having made that many great moves. Brunell, Portis, these guys are all tied up with big contracts. Springs(he seems worth the money)...there's no way you guys pay for Abrahm. You wont be able to. And don't even start with TO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRAB Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Honestly, we don't need a Cowboy fan coming over here and telling us we can't draft and our FO is stupid. We really don't need that. The draft didn't fall the way I wanted it to, and I'm still not sure the Campbell pick wasn't a monumental mistake... but we already know that. We know we're paying Lavar, Portis, Burnell, Samuels, etc. a lot of money for middiling production. Don't think you're coming onto our forum and telling us anything we don't already know. Most of this has been discussed ad nauseum around here and you're like a few months late. Our cap is what it is. Our draft is what it is. Next year's draft is what it is. The only thing you could possibly be doing is just rubbing it in. Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bullocks Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I'm not rubbing anything in. I enjoy posting here because there's more disagreeance. There's actually quite a few of you on here that are very knowledgable fans. I don't mean to rub anything in, and I haven't posted on this board for that long, so I don't know the extent that these things are being discussed over here. Sorry. I was just trying to spit some truth. You can come to www.cowboyszone.com too and tell us what you tihnk. As long as you are civil, which I do believe I have been, we have no problem with that at all. Please note, Im not a pompous fan. I've abided by all the rules, and I cannot controll the fact that some of your fans have dillusions of grandeur, and that they have a lack of understanding for the modern NFL. Because of Wilburns allegance to your organization, is he not rubbing it in? He states the same things I do. I'm utterly sorry that your FO is bad, I'm not going to sugar coat it. OK? Sorry I offended you with the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Disagreeance . . . no Cowboy fan left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I hate to say it but we are not a player away from having a good defensive line. Both DE's are absolutely horrible at generating pressure....both need to be replaced. Then we need depth so that the guys don't have to play every down. We are at least 2 years away from a solid DL and that's only if the FO decides to pay it any attention at all....something they have NOT done in recent history. Not to mention that over paying a FA DE is generally a mistake. You get less then what you pay for almost always because the ones that make it to FA and manage to leave their teams usually see a drop in production as the tend to be older and more banged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 You know what? As much as I hate to agree with a Cowboy fan, give credit where credit is due. He's right. We keep giving away draft choices like they're nothing while we continually fail to address one of the main problems with this team:the offensive and defensive lines. Take a look at what Dallas did this past offseason: bolstered their OL in FA and addressed their Dline in the draft. Now compare that to what we did: Sign Rabach(good signing) but brought no one in to push Dockery or anyone else on the Oline for that matter. What's even worse than that? Keeping the status quo on the defensive line and completely ignoring our glaring lack of front four pressure. In Dallas, they have a nice influx of youth and talent on their Dline while we've bypassed it in the draft going on for over a decade. Dan Snyder may be a whizz at managing the salary cap but it doesn't mean much if we continually ignore key positions in the draft. Joe Gibbs and his way of drafting and signing personnel is only on the hook for last year and this year. If we fail to address our Dline this coming offseason, then I will start to wonder what the heck we're thinking. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 We need a big, fast wide receiver, just as much as we need a pass rusher. I was watching the Colts-Bengals game today and wondered to myself how the Bengals got so many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 We need a big, fast wide receiver, just as much as we need a pass rusher.I was watching the Colts-Bengals game today and wondered to myself how the Bengals got so many of them. I disagree. We neglect a position(DE) every year in search of a wr or fb when winning in this league starts upfront on the lines. Until we understand that as a team, we'll continually be in no man's land every season: not too bad but not too good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bullocks Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 In your defense, Gibbs needs time to retool the roster to his liking. Weather or not he is making the right personell decisions remains to be seen...Cowboys fans were up in arms because of some of Bills moves...Antonio Bryant, all teh talent in the world, but he's a headcase, though I wish him well (BP drafted Crayton)...Cutting Carter, well it had to be done at some point, Vinny was never supposed to be the starter....I remember until Jones lit it up in the last 7 games of the year, people were cursing BP for passing on Jackson and Kevin Jones. Parcells appears to have "fixed" the mess in Dallas, but when you've had our track record hte last 10 years, you guys too, you just take it week by week and enjoy the fact you're winning more than you're losing. I didn't agree with Gibbs draft, but he's got a plan. I'd say give him 3-4 years. This team needs a major overhaul, and he's started. Smoot, well you saw the type of character he is in Minnesota, didn't keep him. Rogers could pan out and be great.... My advise to Snyder, don't spend too big in FA. Even if someone comes available, don't be too tempted to pick them up. Everyone was angrier than hell when we didn't jump on the CB signing extravaganza 2 off seasons ago, and we did pay for it that year. But the team was further away than alot of us thought (the 10-6 year was a bit of a fluke, and it left us with lofty expectations). We waited, and then we got Henry this last offseason, and it's paying off. Gibbs knows its more than a quick fix. He's cleaning up a mess with a decade of bad drafts, just like Bill had to do in Dallas. It's a process. Be happy you have Gibbs, not Spurrier doing it. It all starts with the draft. You can't accurately grade a draft until about 3 years down the line. Dallas had a "great" draft in 2002. Only Roy Williams turned out to be anything of a player, Bryant may mature in Clevland, and Gurode is hanging by a thread right now. So, as bad as it appears, I guess you gotta give it some time. Snyder need to learn he can buy pretty much anything except for success. It doesn't work like that anymore. He's a genius business man, a great cap manager, but he hasn't done that great with personell decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFENSEGURU Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 If this team doesn't get rid of its FUMBLERS.....then a defensive end won't help. The Redskins offense was shut out of the endzone today. We need a QB who can make things happen....to the other team...not to the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bullocks Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 A good DE will make you better, and is more importnat than a big fast WR. You need someone to move the chains for you. A bigger target. Also for the red zone. The D-Line can be rebuilt. The interior is actually quite good. Salave'a(sp?) looks pretty damn stout out there. You have pretty good LB's. If ROgers is what he's cracked up to be, he and Springs will form a great duo, with a good safety in Taylor. I will admit, he's improved alot since last year. IMO, id put him up there in the top 5-8 safeties. I still think Reed, Williams, Harrison, and Dawkins are probably better. But he's definately good, and most teams would love to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFENSEGURU Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Billy, you don't have to convince me about a defensive end. I have been calling on the Redskins to draft or free agent TWO of them for 4 years now. What you are seeing on defense is the rewards from IGNORING the defensive line in the draft for 14 years. Its not coincidental that the first place team, Dallas, has drafted Greg Ellis, went into free agency and got Leroi Glover, BOTH great pass rushers....and then this year came out of the draft with 3 more stellar pass rushers. THATS one big reason that they have a great defense and we are giving up long passes every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheREALJBird Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 A good DE will make you better, and is more importnat than a big fast WR. You need someone to move the chains for you. A bigger target. Also for the red zone. The D-Line can be rebuilt. The interior is actually quite good. Salave'a(sp?) looks pretty damn stout out there. You have pretty good LB's. If ROgers is what he's cracked up to be, he and Springs will form a great duo, with a good safety in Taylor. I will admit, he's improved alot since last year. IMO, id put him up there in the top 5-8 safeties. I still think Reed, Williams, Harrison, and Dawkins are probably better. But he's definately good, and most teams would love to have him. Well you seem sensible enough, so i'll take it. I think you raise some good points in all of this. DE is the most important issue on this team. With Griffin and Salavea in the middle that is definetly a solid interior, if we could draft 2 good DE that could cause a pass rush, then we would be good to go I think. I'm not really worried about WR that much, we have Moss who has turned out to be excellent even though we havent been throwing him the ball lately, and Jacobs will adapt more now that he has an opportunity...or at least I hope he does, a possesion receiver is something I believe that we need, but there's no reason why we can't draft one in the later stages of the draft, plenty of receivers have turned out good that weren't drafted in the 1st rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealskin Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 For all the criticism the Bengals get they have hit the jackpot with some of their recent draft picks. Chad Johnson was a second round pick and Chris Henry was a third round pick. I wonder how much cap space would be generated by dumping Daniels and Wynn if any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Abraham or Freeny will be a Redskin next year and if i had a choice i would say it would be Abraham due to his ability to play DE and outside LB in a 3-4 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santarpia Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 If you remember, the JETS wanted Champ Bailey and were offering Abraham and Lamont Jordan who were in the last year of their contract with the JETS in 2004. At the time, I thought this was a better deal then the PORTIS deal because you get a big running back the GIBBS covets and a pass rusher you do not have plus you still have your 2nd round pick you gave to the BRONCOS. Oh well, You can't dwell on the what might have been. You live with the bed you make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Perhaps the the team can draft someone to rush the passer. Why do we have to solve our problems in FA. I am tired of our failures in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Greg Williams when the defense was ranked #3 never believed that this would come to pass. So the Skins ignored trying to rebuild the defensive line by saying getting Phillip Daniels back was like adding a free agent to the line. Phillip Daniels was never known for his pass rushing skills. He's solid and nothing more. The Cowbums did something called drafting. The Skins don't even own picks next season to even build through the draft. Thats the disappointing thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 we need to draft, not go to FA. That way Williams can find someone to suit his scheme. If John Abraham suits his scheme, then we may make a play for him. However, Abraham seems like he is a me-first player as well. It also sounds like a case where we will pay him a lot and he will bust for us. Just this feeling about most FA DE's in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 "I hate to say it but we are not a player away from having a good defensive line. Both DE's are absolutely horrible at generating pressure....both need to be replaced. Then we need depth so that the guys don't have to play every down. We are at least 2 years away from a solid DL and that's only if the FO decides to pay it any attention at all....something they have NOT done in recent history. Not to mention that over paying a FA DE is generally a mistake. You get less then what you pay for almost always because the ones that make it to FA and manage to leave their teams usually see a drop in production as the tend to be older and more banged up." Agree...to which I would add that our personnel practices over the last 12 years do not inspire confidence. We do not get value for dollar invested out of draft picks or FAs. We may have systemic problems that will prevent this team from becoming top tier for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Well, the good news is that the Redskins don't need to get an all-purpose DE. They have guys that can stop the run. The Redskins just need to get some situational pass rushers. These guys should be easier to get in the draft and FA (e.g. Derrick Burgess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Here would be my ultimate off season high............ #1 - Trade Patrick Ramsey and a late round (4th or 5th) to Buffalo for Nate Clements because he was a former GW player and we NEED CB depth and he is awesome. #2 - Sign either Abraham, Freeney or the other Colts DE (name is slipping my memory right now) #3 - Pick up a BIG bodied WR cheap in FA that can get the job done #4 - In the draft pick up a WR in the 2nd round, a DT in the 3rd and on day two take Omar Jacobs the QB from Bowling Green to replace the loss of Ramsey (this man is gonna be a BEAST in the NFL) and the final rounds fill in oline and dline depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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