John Abraham

[DieselPwr44]

One question: What's with all this talk of Freeney coming to DC?? No way in hell Indy is letting Freeney, the MVP of ther defense, go in free agency.

[TaylorPickSix]

Yeah Freeney's contract is up after this year but he has franchise tag written all over him. Bye bye Edge and Reggie.

This is the Colts' one year to win the whole thing and unless we somehow miraculously go I will be rooting for them the whole time (if I had to have a second team the Colts would be it - I took a liking to them after that 36-0 womping by the Jets in the playoffs they took a couple years back).

[zallera]

I really hope that Gregg Williams & Co. have taken note in our games against KC, NY, TB, and Oakland just how much a pass rushing DE can disrupt an offense. Watching Jared Allen, Strahan, Simeon Rice, and Burgess tear through our line and cause havoc, without a blitz, makes it all the more evident that we need someone on the edge that can consistently get to the QB.

[warrentonboy]

The Jets need a quarterback don't they? I'd give them Ramsey, Patten, Harris, Holdman, Parsons straight up for Abraham! I don't think they'd take it though!

[stwasm]

We're in the situation we're in now because we DO gas up Redskins One. We have no depth because we try to hit the home room during the free agency period instead of building players through the draft. Hopefully, when Gibbs gets a few drafts under his belt, that will improve. Until then, we continue to pay for Danny Boy's past sins. Keep that friggin' plane in the hangar!

[canesluver]

For the sake of this discussion, what round picks do we have next year? As quickly as we trade them away, I can't keep track.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I disagree. We neglect a position(DE) every year in search of a wr or fb when winning in this league starts upfront on the lines. Until we understand that as a team, we'll continually be in no man's land every season: not too bad but not too good either.

That's exactly right. The Chicago Bears are 7-3 and dominating teams this year because they can stop the run and generate pressure on the QB with their front four. That leaves 7 guys to focus on coverage.

[fdarugar]

That's exactly right. The Chicago Bears are 7-3 and dominating teams this year because they can stop the run and generate pressure on the QB with their front four. That leaves 7 guys to focus on coverage.

Their DLine is sick nasty.

[Dirk Diggler]

Yeah, I'm not really down with the Abraham crowd.

Don't get me wrong - I think he'd look wonderful lined up next to Griffin. However, the price will be very steep if he's unrestricted and it would prevent us from adding depth in other places that we are lacking such as the Oline, CB, and perhaps SS. And what happens when he sprains his ankle and misses a month's worth of games? He hasn't been the most durable chap, you know. Then we'd be looking at the same old sorry pass rush heading into some season-defining 3 game stretch -count on it. Not good times.

I think the move is to invest most or all of our picks into the Dline. Despite RAmsey's unremarkable career, if AJ Feeley can fetch a 2nd rounder - I'm sure that Ramsey can land us at least a 3rd. We'd have a #2 and 2 #3s to throw at the defensive line which is more than enough ammunition to make an immediate difference.

Look at Chicago's Line - lotsa mid-late rounders:

LE 93 Adewale Ogunleye 97 Michael Haynes

DT 91 Tommie Harris 70 Alfonso Boone

NT 95 Ian Scott 99 Tank Johnson

RE 96 Alex Brown 71 Israel Idonije

Only 2 #1s in that bunch - Haynes and Harris. And not one prize free agent either unless you count Ogunleye though he was a trade.

Let's build a line rather than buy one. I think we've tried this twice before (1998 and 2004) and the results have been mixed at best.

[#1SkinsFan]

Here would be my ultimate off season high............

#1 - Trade Patrick Ramsey and a late round (4th or 5th) to Buffalo for Nate Clements because he was a former GW player and we NEED CB depth and he is awesome.

#2 - Sign either Abraham, Freeney or the other Colts DE (name is slipping my memory right now)

#3 - Pick up a BIG bodied WR cheap in FA that can get the job done

#4 - In the draft pick up a WR in the 2nd round, a DT in the 3rd and on day two take Omar Jacobs the QB from Bowling Green to replace the loss of Ramsey (this man is gonna be a BEAST in the NFL) and the final rounds fill in oline and dline depth

sounds like a good idea considering buffalo needs a qb, and we need a solid CB to play opposite of Springs. And if we did get freeny or abraham, that would bolster our d-line and make it solid against the run and pass rush. A big reciever, like plaxico burress would be nice and we'd have some one to go up high and make plays. However, i think we should get a DT or linebacker in the 2nd round and a reciever in the third. I'm sure there will be some good WR's available. But the most important thing is the defenseive line that needs to be addressed. I do like your idea of the qb to replace ramsey, but i dont think he would play for a while b/c of Campbell probably starting after brunell retires, but i like your logic.

However the chances of any of that happening are slim to none. The skins probably wont try to get a defensive lineman in FA, they will probably grab a reciever, like reggie wayne or randel el. But they will probably draft a d-lineman to fix the pass rush, and they will most likely no get another QB, but a LB to add depth if we play some more 3-4. or they could get a Saftey or CB to help play opposite of springs, and to play in the nickel package where multiple cbs, and safeties are used.

[fdarugar]

Yeah, I'm not really down with the Abraham crowd.

Don't get me wrong - I think he'd look wonderful lined up next to Griffin. However, the price will be very steep if he's unrestricted and it would prevent us from adding depth in other places that we are lacking such as the Oline, CB, and perhaps SS. And what happens when he sprains his ankle and misses a month's worth of games? He hasn't been the most durable chap, you know. Then we'd be looking at the same old sorry pass rush heading into some season-defining 3 game stretch -count on it. Not good times.

I think the move is to invest most or all of our picks into the Dline. Despite RAmsey's unremarkable career, if AJ Feeley can fetch a 2nd rounder - I'm sure that Ramsey can land us at least a 3rd. We'd have a #2 and 2 #3s to throw at the defensive line which is more than enough ammunition to make an immediate difference.

Look at Chicago's Line - lotsa mid-late rounders:

LE 93 Adewale Ogunleye 97 Michael Haynes

DT 91 Tommie Harris 70 Alfonso Boone

NT 95 Ian Scott 99 Tank Johnson

RE 96 Alex Brown 71 Israel Idonije

Only 2 #1s in that bunch - Haynes and Harris. And not one prize free agent either unless you count Ogunleye though he was a trade.

Let's build a line rather than buy one. I think we've tried this twice before (1998 and 2004) and the results have been mixed at best.

The players that have not been 1st rounders usually take atleast 2 years to develope, we need some pass rush immediately.

[Billy Bullocks]

If the Colts win the SB this year, Im pretty sure they will let James go. Probably draft a RB at some point. Wouldn't be surprised if Freeney gets franchised. Freeney will probably not hit the market. Abrahm is more likely to do so. I didn't like how he didn't tough it out in the playoffs last year. I also don't know how inspired he would be to play that hard if he got the big money.

I'm not aware of your current cap situation...I am aware however, that if either Abrahm or Freeney hit the open market, they will command top dollar. Freeney would be worth it, but is your team really 1 player away from the big dance? The reason I see the Skins having difficulty being that great over the next few years is the lack of good drafts. You have to build a core of players through the draft with a few FA aquisitions. Signing Freeney to big money would be the quick fix, and with more holes to fill, and little draft picks next year, that might be hard to do

[TaylorPickSix]

true chicago does have an amazing d-line but I am just saying I think with Griffin healthy and Salave'a we have two solid DTs. Griffin is prob our best pass rushing DL and he's a DT! Imagine Abraham lined up next to him...sick. On the other side Manny Lawson (NC State) or Darryl Tapp (Va Tech), whichever is there in the 2nd round when we pick. 3rd rounder can be a WR.

[36HAMMER]

Fact is we need a lot of things but we could do with another good dt to go with griffen and 1 de will help trmendously. another cb, clemant would be great but the cap could make that hard, but williams could be an attraction for him.we need to up grade the guard position. dockery isn't going to get it. if hutchison is available and we can swing it do it.ramsey possible for abraham (maybe). and a good draft.i've got one on order.. ha ha ha ha

[Billy Bullocks]

Their DLine is sick nasty.

It really is...and I give them props for beating Carolina, but when GB, Minny, and Detroit are on your schedule 6 times, you're gonna look a bit better than you are, IMO.

Also, to whoever said, WR is easy to find in later rounds...I agree that many WR are found in later rounds, but it's even less of a sure thing than 1st rounders. WR usually takes a while to develope, so the immedeate help wouldnt be felt.

Moss hasn't been getting as many touches because teams are gearing up to stop him. There just honestly isn't another WR on teh team that scares them. It's the same issue we have in Dallas a bit. Once Crayton got hurt, we lost that extra dimension on offense. Witten and Key are better options than Cooley and Jacobs/Thrash/Patten though.

What you guys sorely lack is DE and a big WR. If you can fix that, this team will look alot better. The problem is that your FO has consistantly gone for the glamour position, and overpayed for under production. You gotta draft these guys, you cant just buy it all.

[Billy Bullocks]

true chicago does have an amazing d-line but I am just saying I think with Griffin healthy and Salave'a we have two solid DTs. Griffin is prob our best pass rushing DL and he's a DT! Imagine Abraham lined up next to him...sick. On the other side Manny Lawson (NC State) or Darryl Tapp (Va Tech), whichever is there in the 2nd round when we pick. 3rd rounder can be a WR.

I dunno if Tapp will be there in the 2nd round. If he's there, you guys can't pass on him.

[36HAMMER]

drafting is good but that will take too long alone. even dalls didn't do that. smart fa aquistions are also in order. 1 or 2 big guys hutchison, clement or freeney abraham.

then some mid level free agents(cheaper) like tripplet and fonoti which we could have had for 6 or 7 th rd draft pick. he would be an upgrade over dockery but about the same size.

[Billy Bullocks]

I think we may have overpayed for Rivera. But I'd rather have him out there than Gurode. Henry was by far the best aquisition. Ferguson doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but hey, the way our run D has been playing, he's out there.

One word about the draft, DeMarcus Ware...he's been huge in our defense getting to where it's at.

[SkinsNeverDie]

Do we even have the money for Abraham? If not...then we are in for hell next season as well.

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Last thing we need is another Jetskin. We have such a rich history of pillaging that club for players who stink up fed-ex.

[SkinsNeverDie]

Okay...here is what we need to do.

Get a John Abraham, or Dwight Freeney. With their calibur they will probably get doubled. Then we draft a DE in the second round for depth for now. We convert Chris Clemons to DE (He will have some pressure away from him). I like our DT's. They are solid against the run and that is the #1 priority they are for, besides getting pressure. Besides with this D-line we would have,

i'm pretty sure we would get plenty of that, Especially blitzing maybe another LB.

[tml6157]

1 - Clements would fit perfectly since he already knows the GW system. Springs and Clements and Rodgers and Harris in the nickle with Taylor and rotation of Clark, Prioleau, Bowen and Stoutmire in the other safety position......Like i said Bufflao NEEDS a QB and we could package Ramsey, a WR and a pick prolly.

2 - Freeney will probably be extremely hard to snag away from Indy so we can go after Mathis from Indy or most likely John Abraham.....Salave'a and Griffin up the middle and Mathis/Abraham at one end.......for the other end we take the best DE available in either Tapp or Lawson in the 2nd round and convert one LB to DE like Clemons someone said before.......

3 - in the third round we can take the biggest WR available for depth behind Moss and T.O. (yes i said it we need to pick him up this year when Philly lets him loose we turn Snyder loose) then in later rounds we take depth at either DT, OL or DB.....

4 - BUT BUT BUT with one of those late pics we need to snag OMAR JACOBS the QB from Bowling Green........this kid is a beast man he's got the body and legs of McNabb and Culpepper but a CANNON for an arm....he can fill in for the loss of Ramsey to Buffalo and we will have 2 young QB's to build upon.......incase Campbell is a flop i KNOW Jacobs will thrive in the NFL......or what if campbell is awesome and jacobs as well then we would have some HIGH QUALITY trade bait!!!!!

[TaylorPickSix]

1 - Clements would fit perfectly since he already knows the GW system. Springs and Clements and Rodgers and Harris in the nickle with Taylor and rotation of Clark, Prioleau, Bowen and Stoutmire in the other safety position......Like i said Bufflao NEEDS a QB and we could package Ramsey, a WR and a pick prolly.

2 - Freeney will probably be extremely hard to snag away from Indy so we can go after Mathis from Indy or most likely John Abraham.....Salave'a and Griffin up the middle and Mathis/Abraham at one end.......for the other end we take the best DE available in either Tapp or Lawson in the 2nd round and convert one LB to DE like Clemons someone said before.......

3 - in the third round we can take the biggest WR available for depth behind Moss and T.O. (yes i said it we need to pick him up this year when Philly lets him loose we turn Snyder loose) then in later rounds we take depth at either DT, OL or DB.....

4 - BUT BUT BUT with one of those late pics we need to snag OMAR JACOBS the QB from Bowling Green........this kid is a beast man he's got the body and legs of McNabb and Culpepper but a CANNON for an arm....he can fill in for the loss of Ramsey to Buffalo and we will have 2 young QB's to build upon.......incase Campbell is a flop i KNOW Jacobs will thrive in the NFL......or what if campbell is awesome and jacobs as well then we would have some HIGH QUALITY trade bait!!!!!

while I love all of your ideas, how in the world do you suppose we sign abraham AND TO? mathis and TO sure, but both? no way in hell that could happen. Clements wants a new deal too. I don't think this could work unless we get rid of samuels or brunell restructures or something....I just don't think that would work out monetarily. that would be awesome, but I just can't see it.

[panel]

Abraham is not worth the money, especially when he won't play playoff games if minorly hur, because the playoff pay rate isnt enough for him.

[SkinsNeverDie]

Now that i look at it...Abraham only has 5.5 sacks...not exactly a force if you ask me. He'll be demanding more money than what he is worth.

Get Robert Mathis, or Kalimba Edwards (really starting to like this guy).

*edit* i agree with panel.