NAILBOMB9 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Maybe Brunell can play DE?? His ridiculously overpaid "butt" is the reason we've lost and are going to continue losing players account the salary cap. Put Campbell in at QB and see if Brunell can cause some TO's....we all know he's pretty good at turning the ball over himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I've said it several times before on this board: Darren Howard is the player we should target. He's got the size (275) that neither Abraham (258) nor Mathis (235) possess, and that Gregg Williams/Greg Blache obviously covet in their DEs. Unlike Abraham and Mathis, Howard is strong against the run. He may not be the pure pass-rusher that those players are, but he can also pressure the QB. He can even move inside and play DT on passing downs, which we have seen out of Wynn and Evans particularly in GW's scheme, and should be appealing. The question is, how affordable and available will Howard be... As has been previously mentioned, he was franchised last season. This means two things: A) It's certainly conceivable that the Saints will simply franchise him again, and he'll be completely off-limits and He will be looking for some pretty big-time money. As to him being franchised again, I think it's unlikely. The Saints have Charles Grant and Will Smith to hold down those spots, and with so many needs, I can't see them committing another 6+ million to a rotation DE. As to his price, I think he'll be looking for something like 5-6M per year. That's a large amount, but I personally feel we can justify it for a guy who will give our defense a huge boost. That should, after all is said and done, leave enough money to sign our picks and probably a decent nickel CB (that isn't Walt Harris) and a backup OG; neither of those positions should be particularly expensive to fill with a veteran. That would leave us with a 2nd and 3rd round pick to use on a WR and on a rotation DT. At WR in that range we should be looking at guys like Martin Nance (Miami-Ohio), Mike Hass (Oregon State), Demetrius Williams (Oregon), Derek Hagan (Arizona State), Jason Avant (Tennessee), Todd Watkins (BYU), Sinorice Moss (Miami), and Skyler Green (LSU). Those guys can all play, although it seems unlikely any of them will step right in and make a difference as rookies. At DT in that range we are looking at possibly Gabe Watson (Michigan), Jesse Mahelona (Tennessee), Claude Wroten (LSU), Babatunde Oshinowo (Stanford), Orien Harris (Miami), Dusty Dvoracek (Oklahoma), and Steve Fifita (Utah). Again, probably not DROYs there, but very probably we could come up with a solid rotation guy who could develop into a good starter. Please note I'm not saying all those guys will be available Round 2-3, because they won't. I'm just throwing out some possibilities. I think, then, if you save your FA money for Howard, a nickel CB, and a versatile OL backup, and get some solid depth at WR and DT with our first two picks, we then have needs really only at TE and perhaps a backup RB if Ladell Betts hits the road in FA (unlikely, IMO). How do we address these holes, you ask? The magic of the compensatory pick. With the losses of Smoot and Pierce to FA, and the only real additions in FA being Rabach and Patten, we are in line for some pretty decent comp picks, quite possibly even a 3rd and a 4th. Just another little side benefit to being a bit more frugal in the FA market. Thus, I'm looking at an offseason with the following additions: DE Darren Howard A solid vet nickel CB to backup Springs and Rogers A versatile OL, preferably mainly an OG A WR/DT/TE in the second round A WR/DT/TE in the third round A WR/DT/TE with a compensatory pick Late round picks used for secondary, WR, and OL depth That's pretty reasonable, I think, and would really improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 e16bball, I wouldn't be opposed to going after Howard I just think Abraham is a prime target due to his current situation w/ the Jets. Either of those players would be a considerable upgrade. I figure both would be about the same price so you definitely have a solid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Robert Mathis #98 Definitely Robert Mathis #98 of the Indianapolis Colts. We should go after him like no other player. He is by far the best man in the defensive free agency. After 10 weeks of foot ball here are Mathis's stats::applause: 32 Tackles 09 Asst. Tackles 07 Forced Fumbles (That takes care of TO ratio right there) 01 Pass Defended :logo: :point2sky :eaglesuck :gaintsuck :dallasuck :point2sky :logo: Don't see any sacks on that there list..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Don't see any sacks on that there list..... He leads the league in sacks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Don't see any sacks on that there list..... see for yourself http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/SCKS/2005/regular Robert Mathis Team- Indianapolis Colts Sacks-10 Tackles-43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEJ2200 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I like Abraham from the Jets - he consistently disrupts things in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 e16bball,I wouldn't be opposed to going after Howard I just think Abraham is a prime target due to his current situation w/ the Jets. Either of those players would be a considerable upgrade. I figure both would be about the same price so you definitely have a solid point. Yeah man, I definitely agree that they can both play some football. There are two factors that make me prefer Howard. First, he has the size necessary to hold up against double teams. Abraham, with the Jets, is playing opposite Shaun Ellis, who happens to be an extremely good DE in his own right and next to DeWayne Robertson, who is a beast as well. With the Skins, a DE will be the main pass-rush threat, with only Griffin there to really attract any other attention. Abraham, if faced with double teams on passing downs, will have trouble holding up, I think. Second, I think Howard's current team situation is actually more conducive to him being attainable. The Saints actually have his replacement on the team (as opposed to the Jets, who would have to pick up a replacement) and they are team in flux, even more so than the Jets, I think. They simply have to go in a new direction, and will need money to spend on perhaps QB, WR, OL, DT, OLB, CB, and S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Oh, and I should add, I agree with the people who earlier mentioned Aaron Kampman as a solid backup plan. The guy plays with a lot of heart, and a non-stop motor. I like him, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Dwight Freeney. I don't think Indy is going to be able to resign all of their big name free agents. I think Freeney will be resigned by them, but if he doesn't, we need to make a play for him. Freeney+Griff+Salave'a+Wynn/Daniels/Rookie = Money DLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Dwight Freeney.I don't think Indy is going to be able to resign all of their big name free agents. I think Freeney will be resigned by them, but if he doesn't, we need to make a play for him. Freeney+Griff+Salave'a+Wynn/Daniels/Rookie = Money DLine. I just feel like Freeney will be too expensive for us. We are not exactly overflowing with cap room, and we have some holes other than DE that we really need to fill. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Freeney and he'd be an amazing acquisition. I just don't know if we can justify the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I just feel like Freeney will be too expensive for us. We are not exactly overflowing with cap room, and we have some holes other than DE that we really need to fill.Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Freeney and he'd be an amazing acquisition. I just don't know if we can justify the cost. Cash beats cap, my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Cash beats cap, my friend I totally agree, with a hefty signing bonus we can sign just about any FA out there. Sign either Mathis or Freeny. Then make a huge play for Wayne. Pick up some value picks in the draft (OL, DL) and sign a few role players in FA. That would put this team on track. FILL THE HOLES JOE, FILL THE HOLES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Okay, okay, maybe we can afford to sign Freeney. If we can, believe me, I'm the first on his bandwagon. I love the guy. But let's not even think about going after Robert Mathis. His stats are impressive, but you have to view them in the context of what happens ON THE FIELD. He simply can't play on possible running downs, because he's way too small to hold up at the POA against huge OTs. He's a 3rd down pass-rush specialist exclusively, and I really don't think we should spend a load of money on a guy who won't play every down, especially one who is only outstanding because of the guy playing opposite him. Additionally, he's a RFA, and the Colts will obviously tender him; thus, it would cost us a pick in addition to excessive amounts of money. I don't know if any of the cap specialists will look over this thread, but if one of you happens by, could you please clue me in as to the likelihood of us clearing enough space for Freeney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaught76 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Something to think about, maybe. Why would Freeney want to come here? The big pay day is only reason I can think of. He is already on the best team in the league and on one of the best defenses (as of this year) in the league. As of right now, I can't think of one team that can beat the Colts. Besides a massive payday, why would he want to leave a Superbowl caliber team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Elvis Dumervil from Lousville has 20 sacks or so right now he's pushing for Suggs NCAA record. In the draft he or Kiwi would be the best bet but we would have to get a first rounder which would severly handicap us for the rest of the draft. A pass rushing end being as tough as it is to find one it might be better to just break the bank for Abraham. A proven commodity is worth a whole lot especially when you weigh his contract vs that of a high round pick. But I'm just rambling I'm sure the coaches know what they need and will address that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted December 4, 2005 Author Share Posted December 4, 2005 Something to think about, maybe. Why would Freeney want to come here? The big pay day is only reason I can think of. He is already on the best team in the league and on one of the best defenses (as of this year) in the league. As of right now, I can't think of one team that can beat the Colts. Besides a massive payday, why would he want to leave a Superbowl caliber team? Ty Law? It's all about the $$..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpickering Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Keep an eye on #55, DE Darryl Tapp on VT in the ACC Championship game. He should be our 2nd round pick IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted December 4, 2005 Share Posted December 4, 2005 Elvis Dumervil from Lousville has 20 sacks or so right now he's pushing for Suggs NCAA record. In the draft he or Kiwi would be the best bet but we would have to get a first rounder which would severly handicap us for the rest of the draft. A pass rushing end being as tough as it is to find one it might be better to just break the bank for Abraham. A proven commodity is worth a whole lot especially when you weigh his contract vs that of a high round pick. But I'm just rambling I'm sure the coaches know what they need and will address that. But he got a third of those sacks in one game against a horrible Kentucky team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted December 5, 2005 Author Share Posted December 5, 2005 Daryl Tapp would be a good 2nd round pick and solid opposite Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 Offseason BUMP. Time to shore up the pass rush this off-season. Phillip Daniels is servicable but not a long term answer. We need a pure pass rushing end! Time to step to the plate, GW and Gibbs. Let's get it done this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I want to know what our salary cap numbers are after we cut Ramsey (inevitable) and if Arrington restructures his contract or gets cut. Evans needs to take over for Wynn, that much is obvious. If Daniels resurgence continues we might not need a high priced FA, but I do want to start drafting DE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 If Daniels resurgence continues we might not need a high priced FA, but I do want to start drafting DE's. Yea, what a fluke occurance. Nobody could have predicted that. 4 sacks in the Dallas game? Maybe he started on the juice;). I've been wanting to draft DE's for a few seasons now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Yea, what a fluke occurance. Nobody could have predicted that. 4 sacks in the Dallas game? Maybe he started on the juice;). Its about time!! Kidding When Daniels was in Chicago, he was effective . . . when he was healthy. Problem is, he had trouble staying healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sullivan Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I think the key is getting a defensive end to add youth, because right now the defensive ends are starters Renaldo Wynn (31), Phillip Daniels (32), and backups Nic Clemons (25) and Demetric Evans (26). Evans really came on late in the season and there is a chance he could be part of the answer as a pass rusher, but I am not sure about that. Clemons, to my knowledge, didn't play a great deal, only recording two tackles. Phillip Daniels is 32, but last year his 8 sacks were excellent, and he really came on starting with the Dallas game, and its clear that he has found a place in Washington. Renaldo Wynn is not spectacular but doesn't make mistakes, and it would be possible to have Wynn be in there starting along with Daniels, but to add someone in the 2nd round of the draft who is an edge rusher and who could come in on passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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