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Isnt Bryce Young taller and lighter than Murray? I think Russ is lighter than Murray too There are light guys around the NFL w/ actual height tho, T Law was like 213. CJ Stroud was 214.

And risk getting punished for tampering w/ one of our players? The pure audacity?! We have as good a shot at picking up JD as Maye. Good times.

Weight don't change my plans one iota. Even if he could sustain a playing weight well above 200 he still gets a shotgun date with the broadside of a slide coach in my book.

I don't think its just the idea that he gets you wins faster. Its more the idea that he sees that one guy is already a prospect that can offer high level impact and even if he personally believes Maye has a higher ceiling, you'd have to pass over someone who you know can perform at a high level for a prospect who is never guaranteed to reach said ceiling. Bird in the hand kinda thing. as for the more general debate As someone who has not put a ton of stock in JDs weight, whatever he comes in at will not change how I plan on teaching the guy.

Running the 40 is like throwing at the combine for somebody in JDs position. What does he have to gain? Nothing. Everybody knows he's fast. He's not opening any new eyes in that department. Whats would it cost? Weeks of tearing your body apart to do well on a test you'll never have to take again. We all hope he runs one, cuz fun numbers and data, but whether it happens, I'm skeptical. For QBs who don't have unquestioned speed its a lil different. You can absolutely give your stock a bump w/ a good performance.

I believe those numbies are off for any acquiring team as the Chargers would eat the G money on his deal when trading him making him more affordable, but as @Est.1974 pointed out that would be a monster blow to LAs cap.

Aiyuk is awesome but yeah, that move would feel like a luxury right now. I'd rather pick up a draft guy (who is hopefully on the taller side to fill in holes in our lineup)

Aside from that since about around the time we signed Mariota where there was a large shift, Maye has been fluctuating between +125 and +175. Daniels has been in the -145 thru -110 territories depending on where you look. They are gonna keep shifting as we move forward.

Dang At least it was overnight. Still tho.

Expected as we had a limited number of arms on the Roster and not enough to get thru camp but I just wanted to point out that Adam Peters said in his interview that in terms of QB we "two in the room and you're going to get two more." Gotta wonder if some other QB they like is there late in the draft they may be open to taking him. I've done no research on the kinds of guys available on the back end, so there is no specific prospect I am keeping a eye on, but it will still be interesting to see it unfold.

The number one thing I wanted in our Vet QB was the capacity to mentor. This recent interview brought in someone who covered the Falcons and he had a bunch of great things to say about how Mariota did in that department. https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-marcus-mariota-rookie-mentor "He was a very impactful leader," Flick told us. "He and Ridder had a very good working relationship with each other. I recall last year several times when you'd have Ridder mention, 'I learned this from Marcus, and I learned how to watch film. I learned how to read opponents and how they'd attack me,' and things of that nature. Just that process of learning how to be a pro. I think Ridder learned a lot from, and you could kind of see when he took over, he was very complimentary of the job that Marcus did in terms of that process of helping prepare him for that moment..." I'm still pleased that we chose to bring him in and I think he can be a great influence on our new guy.

Depends on how u use them. When you pick at the tippy top of the draft its a nice buzz indicator. Further down, not so much. Caleb is #1 in 99% of drafts. I'd put a megaton of faith on that. Less and less as the list goes on. There is enough information there to tell me the majority of the planet don't feel like JJ at 2 is remotely likely.

Not buying the JJ at 2 stuff. After looking over JJ McKs page on that mock draft site I posted on pg 2019... Scanning hundreds of the most recent mocks, 2 have us taking him. 2 have him going #1. Mocks are not the end all be all of course, but there is just nowhere near the buzz necessary to see us taking him at 2 as even a remotely possible option His odds are about the same as us taking Caleb. He's got a long way to go before I believe any of the smoke.

I was always so focused on Maye when I watched tape on UNC that I never really looked up that guys stats. This made me google his numbies. Dude was 5th in college football in Rushing yards. Daym. Always saw him plugging away but since handoffs don't have anything to do with why I was watching I never really actualized his impact. Having a RB that productive and ripping off 5.9 YPC on top of that is nice.

Here's some meat for anybody looking to kill some time. This is a website that gathers the major mock drafts and displays the most common selections for each team. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2024/consensus-mock-draft-one-week-2024 Whats cool is that they also have individual Player pages, and you can scroll thru a bunch of mock drafts at a glance to see where they went. They also provide links to each one, so you can check out the player blurbs most sites put with their selections. They also have graphs that display player choice popularity over time and how it changed. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2024/jayden-daniels/page/1 https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2024/drake-maye/page/1 ** unrelated but Dallas' need for a RB is so great they are mocked to take Johnathan Brooks in 55% of drafts. Crazy for a 2nd rounder

Where's my jumbo-tron? Do we expect more announcements about improvement after the money clears?

Due diligence, nothing more.

I have not seen a single JJ pass nor do I plan to. Option aint even on my radar. Not his fault but yeah, I'm not spending my time on something that is extremely unlikely to happen.

About where I sit. If your trading a bunch of draft capital for a guy what an underling thinks is practically irrelevant. Either the HC loved Lance, the head guy making the pics loved Lance, or the owner loved Lance. That is the only thing that could possibly pull the lever on a move that big.

Might have to trade our next 3 drafts to get a guy who's role is "carry our whole dang franchise" lol Glad were picking at 2

Maybe you'll feel better about it after some continued moves on the Oline. We are certainly gonna draft some dudes, and I would not be shocked if we don't dig around guys who are cut closer to the season as well.

Nah, some peeps just hyper-focus on a few things and miss the forest thru the trees. Under pressure dude put up a 127 passer rating, had a monster big-time throw rate, threw no INTs vs 5 TDs and had an 82 Offensive grade from PFF. Even if you wanna drag that kind of performance down due to easier passes or surrounding talent or frankly similarly bad P2S rates, it still does not reach the level of struggle showcased by other top 3 prospects under fire. The question is less about whether he was good under pressure and more about if a specific poster wants to give him credit for it. If you don't want to and choose to rationalize it away, you do you. Decision making is more nebulous to me and is a lot of things combined. When to send a pass, when not to, keeping the ball outta harms way, situational football, panicking under pressure, protecting your pass catcher, avoiding the deadly sins of QB play... stuff like that. There are a lot associated stats that show a window into your choices, like turnover rate and completion percentage, but there is no one encompassing stat or metric that defines it in my eyes. Its just something you gotta get a feel yourself when watching a prospect. Honestly, everyone's pull in this department is gonna be a little different. If your reasoning is that that JD was simply given a easier job, I'd agree with it. He had some horses that could get open more often. But that does nothing to change the narrative that he has consistently displayed better judgement and it certainly does not allow me to push forward a reality where he isnt the better decision maker. I gotta go with whats there. And just to be 100% clear I'm am specifically focusing on passing decisions not running ones. (as JD struggles a lot there) Clearly I've shown that I got beef w/ that.

I'm cool w/ any of the big three but JD has too much going in his favor for me not to lean in his direction. The mechanics are simply superb, both throwing and footwork. He does not make his own job harder. Then he has the best proven and consistent accuracy and is the best decision maker as a passer which is huge. He is by far the best under pressure in a world where the other top prospects struggled. I don't expect him to face less pressure in the NFL, so knowing he put up a 120+ passer rating when the heat was put on is a nice security blanket. Plus, SEC supremacy does not hurt. Doing it against a good spread of NFL talent vs doing it against guys who are gonna be bagging groceries in a few months means more to me. Like everyone he's got his problems to fix. He's gotta protect himself better and throw more when breaking the pocket being some of the major ones, but that is fixable.

Mahomes has like a 8.2 RAS score. He is a very gifted athlete for the QB position.

That's what I mean. The idea that you almost 100% need to be of a certain height to succeed in the NFL is well understood, but that chart seemed to indicate that height of a prospect had literal zero impact on whether you got drafted early. That is weird.