El Mexican

1 hour ago, Riggo-toni said:

Kyle Smith and Jay Gruden didn't want him, but Dannyboy and his sycophantic sidekick Brucifer overruled them. The good news is Haskins brought in McLaurin for his pro day drills with the team, and Smith insisted we draft Terry based on what he saw.

Silver lining after all...

A tragedy for sure.

But I'm still in awe of the absolute and total incompetence our FO showed drafting this highly troubled young man.

2 hours ago, samy316 said:

Do people realize how hard it is to cash in on a championship?  Ask Browns, Jags, Lions & Texans fans if they would sacrifice 10+ years of ineptitude in exchange for 1 ring.  Hell, it’s been 32 years since we last won a championship.  If we went all in like the Rams, and cashed in on a SB win, I’d gladly sacrifice the next 10 years.  It’s not even a question.

Didn't we try that in the early Snyder era?

I think we'll see a repeat of Snyder's first year as an owner.

The new guys just let things operate as usual and then axe 85% of the team in year 2 of their reign.

That includes our "GM", the entire FO, RR obviously, QBs, and trade some players of our stacked D for a bunch of key draft picks.

Class act.

Despite the hate the man received from some posters around here you can't argue with him being a fighter. He certainly kept the fanbase interested in the actual play of the team during these pathetic years by our FO.

18 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

Ok, so that pretty much proves us right...you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Using reason and common sense is not complaining.

We can deduce a probable outcome based on the decisions we're seeing right now.

19 hours ago, zCommander said:

 

In a transition year they can't go after say Lamar - too rich of a contract right now. If we had the new owner(s) in place before the FA then that would have been a different story. If Howell bombs out then the QB class of 24 is looking pretty good too. New owners new FO and brand new shiny franchise QB. 

 

 

The coaches saw what Howell can and can not do for a whole year. So it is more than just a one game sample for them. It is only a one game sample to you. I would rather they draft OL, TE, DL and maybe even a kicker. I don't want them to go after a QB in this year's draft unless they see someone who is just sitting there and too good to pass up in the later rounds and the OL has already been addressed. 

 

 

No. Howell it is. He was projected to go 1st or 2nd round. We already have a high valued QB who got to sit and learn for a whole year and even played a real game and won. Howell has the edge on a QB drafted this year since he has also developed some chemistry with the WRs and other players as well. 

 

Howell needs to be given at least 17 games to prove he belongs in the NFL as a starter. 

Huge bet. As I've said multiple times I hope it pans out for us. 

21 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

But I'm still trying to figure out what your preferred solution was. We don't have a top draft pick, it would be incredibly costly to trade up, no top flight FA or tradeable QB would agree to come here given the current circumstances, and the rest of the QB FA market was pretty dry.

 

That's why people are saying you're just whining, because you keep complaining about the same stuff but you don't actually given any ideas on how you'd like to see it solved.

I'm just a fan of this team. Been for almost 40 years.

I'm not here not give ideas. I'm here to be entertained. Let the guys who make the big bucks do the actual problem-solving.

21 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Umm, we’d all like a franchise QB.

 

How exactly do you suggest he go about acquiring one?

I have no idea. I dind't say we get a franchise QB. I just want a good to above-average QB.

With our RBs and WRs we could actually compete. But that's a big if: our OL and QB both need to step up.

46 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Jaco B. Ett 

Whining. Got it.

It ain't whining if there's some logic behind it.

It's just a simple informed deduction. Semi-rook + journeyman QB = huge uncertainty.

So the draft it is. 

41 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

 

I think the main thrust of the debate, and what @Koolblue13 basically referenced, is...what exactly was your solution?

 

Did you have one? Or are you mostly just ****ing and moaning because He Who Must Not Be Named is gone?

Nah. I'm just frustrated by the snails-pace this organization functions when trying to solve the most critical position in sports.

Howell must have some huge cojones to have impressed RR and Co. that much with just a sample of passes in a real NFL game. 

Either that or as some of you guys believe we'll go for yet another QB in this year's draft.

3 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

We can't move up in the draft without dropping a ton of assets.

We can't trade for a top QB because they won't come here

We signed the best possibility of a starter to be a back up

We have a one year guy that looked good in limited time that we had rated in the 2nd round 

We'll probably still draft another QB day 2/3

 

You must know something you're not telling us

I'm only calling it like I see it, bro.

Drafting another rookie in this year's draft does little to calm my nerves.

Let's face it guys:

Our QB situation is highly volatile with a semi-rook and a veteran who has struggled all his career basically.

RR must know something we don't bc the moves, at least on paper, make little sense for his overall chance of staying here beyond this year.

5 hours ago, samy316 said:

 

Not you, but I don't know how anyone can claim that this will be different this year.  We don't know anything about Howell yet, so we can't just assume that things won't be the same or worse.  I'm skeptical that this will work out (I think being skeptical of anything the team does is at least reasonable, if not smart).  If it doesn't work out, I want to be as close to the Top 5 in the 2024 draft as humanely possible.  I want us to be right there to draft one of the top QB's in next year's draft.  I want to get either Caleb Williams, or Drake Maye.  I want a resolution either way.  No more finishing 7-10 or 8-9, and not having enough capital to move up in the draft.  If we're going to miss the playoffs this upcoming season (which is very likely), then I want the team to suck as bad as it can.

That's gonna be highly unlikely when RR is trying to keep his job.

This year is absolutely pivotal for him, so I'm guessing he goes full hog with his plan. 

No more excuses.

PS: Just saw the Brisset signing. He seems like a good journeyman QB (4 teams in 7 years in the NFL). 

I guess some competition is good.

11 hours ago, goskins10 said:

they are all rookies until they are not.  Not sure what there is to panic about.  Plenty of time if that’s even what they want.  

I agree 100%. But there are rookies and then there are rookies playing for WSH.

It's different, bro.

10 hours ago, KDawg said:

How is pointing out that our QB situation was brittle with or without him living dangerously? 

Our QB depth scares nobody. It didn't last year, but right now we're a nasty hit on Howell from throwing in the season.

And that's assuming he's good, which we don't know with absolute certainty.

13 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Why panic?

 

Either Sam balls it and we find our franchise qb or he sucks eggs and we draft high enough to get that franchise qb in the 24 draft.

 

 

Hope Howell delivers. I REALLY do.

Don't know if I can stand another season where our average margin of victory is 1.5 points.

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Well, we don’t NEED one.  We probably should get one though.

 

I think we will sign somebody. 
 

And it will be ok.  

Slim pickings right now in the FA front.

Howell is a rookie basically.

Full panic mode engaged.

3 hours ago, KDawg said:

It looked brittle with TH here.

 

It’s Howell and Fromm. 

Ohh baby, you guys really like to live dangerously.

3 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I think it looks like unlimited potential without a no talent anchor.

 

But to each their own.

I agree. Problem is now we NEED a veteran QB. That's my point here.

3 hours ago, Jumbo said:

 

With zero ill intent, get it all out of your system by Wednesday, amigo. Then the move will be official and the heinie stuff will go in ATN since it will be about a falcon back up. 🙂

No ill intent felt, bro.

As a fan of 36 years I can keep my cool when yet another QB leaves this team.

But that doesn't make my initial comment any less true: we are REALLY thin at QB right now.

With TH gone our QB corps looks very brittle.

- Howell

- TH

- Cheap veteran?

I can't see how this QB depth chart is any worse than the ones we've seen around here since 2019.

That would allow us some serious ammo for the draft to invest in OL, TE and LB.

Boom. Pallofs here we go! 

17 hours ago, Conn said:

Sure, we were covering our bases. But we lost the career of a guy we spent 3 1sts and more on, and stumbled into a top-12 type QB in the 4th round while covering those bases. That’s bat**** insane when you really think about it. That’s lucky as hell. 

"Stumbled" is the right word.

Now that you mention it we were incredibly lucky.

2 hours ago, Jericho said:

I'd say this team did get lucky with Cousins.

Well, we doubled-dowm on the QB picks that year.

More like covering your bases than luck.

4 hours ago, slinky said:

Didn't they backtrack on this and said he is only QB1 and not the starter and needs to earn the starter position.

He did? It's kinda of a moot point now. Everyone and his cousin now knows Howell is his guy.

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

They were always off the table. They are going to go with Howell and a journeyman backup. Maybe it's the guy from last year. Maybe it's Shane Buchele. Maybe it's Minshew.

 

We are on a budget.

 

Though, I could see a world where Snyder gets off his yacht, walks into the office, demands we pay Lamar... and then if we do well after he leaves (I don't think Lamar fixes us) he can brag for the rest of his life that we all need to thank him.

 

Keep your gifts, sir. Just go. 

I'm big on Howell. He showed some great flashes in the season finale vs. the Cowboys.

RR made the right choice by naming him the starter before the FA season and draft craziness.

I really don't see our decision makers taking yet another QB in the higher part of the draft. There are other key positions to fill.

That was the rationale behind my question on the FA QBs.

1 minute ago, MariusVT said:

I hope Keim is right, I dont want any part of Lamar here. 

Seems he thought the same thing.

So basically every decent FA QB is off the table now?

Who's left?

11 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

TH isn't a middle of the pack QB, he's a passable backup. And like @KDawgsaid, there isn't a single easy and clear numerical indictor for good QB play. If there were, scouts would be out of a job and PFF would go bankrupt.

 

As far as your list: do you think Jimmy G, Tannehill, Dalton, and Goff are better QBs than Josh Allen? You also can't just magically remove Sam Darnold from being above Mahomes in this list and think nobody noticed.

Right. I told y'all that the stat is pretty solid even if you slice it to 200 pass attempts.

You can go from there to 300, 400, or 600 pass attempts.

As I said before, I could care less about TH and this particular stat. As you said, he's a backup.

I'm thinking about our NEXT QB. 

And yes,  I would put Jimmy G, Tannehill, Dalton, Goff and Josh Allen in the same bag.

Their small statistical spread is linked to their supporting cast of players.

6 hours ago, KDawg said:

 

Bingo

Ok now you're making me laugh 😆

If TH survives the offseason good for him.

I'm on the Howell train now. At least the kid showed some good throwing instinct in the season finale.

6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

If this is about Heinicke, Sheehan poking around on the issue said he thinks he likely is a goner.  But will see.

 

QB -- so many variables matter.    If I had to pick a cheating code, PFF granted who is far from the be all and end all digests a QB on all of their metrics and if your QB isn't top 30 but instead 60 and beyond its bad.

 

PFF judges based on various variables but i know the big ones are:  adjusted completion percentage (judging accuracy) interceptible passes (passes thrown in harms way) and the number of big time throws (successfully threading the needle and pushing the ball down the field).

 

For me i can deal with QBs who lack accuracy chops like Wentz and Heinicke if they have mobility.  The reason why i was out on Wentz early on was it was easy to see his mobility was gone.

 

Accuracy, arm strength, off platform throws, mobility, ability to make players with pressure.

 

 

Yes, lots of indexes and metrics all around the web. No one seems to agree on the most important stat for QB play.