El Mexican

1 hour ago, FootballZombie said:

- We are eliminated from the POs. There is no reason to risk Wentz contract thru injury. He is essentially shut down at this point. Even in practice. Let him stand in the corner.

-There is never a reason to play TH. He is abysmal.

-Its not fair to Howell to put him in such an unholy position but that's the NFL. He is the only option you have to roll out next week.

It's Howell time.

For the love of God please let him be good.

16 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Its a weird situation. We've had some decent drafts. Getting Dotson and Robinson last year from the trade down was a pretty good coup. Mathis looked good in preseason before his injury. The year before Davis is starting to blossom, Cosmi when healthy can play, and St. Juste and Forrest have developed into legit starters. Young was a slam dunk pick in 2020 at #2 overall but we also got Gibson in the 3rd and Curl in the 6th was a super steal.

 

But we have just completely effed up at QB. Not only that but we destroyed what could have been a real good OL. And that's on Ron too.

Yep. The man is a very good defensive minded coach.

That's meant ball control football with solid RBs and linemen that excel at run blocking.

QB seems like a complete enigma to him.

19 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Nah, stop trying to save Taylor from himself.

 

When he threw that last pick, I knew he was coming out because it felt like such a careless turnover.

 

You can get away with a lot in the league I'd you don't throw picks like that, you are just another player when you do.

 

Even if Wentz did suck, the logic switching was if Taylor is going to throw careless interceptions like that, his intangibles over Wentz are moot.  Losing every game in December, had to do something.

 

I'm not optimistic we win this game with Taylor with all the injuries on defense today. That came to a head and put the game out of reach.

Yes, but Wentz threw three picks today.

We actually experienced a downgrade in one week.

1 hour ago, hail2skins said:

With another season of being eliminated from paloff contention, wanted to hear your thoughts on who you think has been the most disappointing coach of the Snyder era so far. Lets review in chronological order:

Gotta be Rivera.

After the terrible stink Gruden left here Rivera was supposed to be savior, being the GM and all.

But the quality results are not there. Every freakin' game is a struggle.

I cannot remember ONE single victory where I relaxed during the game in the RR era. Not one.

Unlike Shanny, which everyone knew lucked out with RGIII and depended 100% on his legs, RR has been a slow, painful burn into mediocrity.

Stuck in second gear.

2 hours ago, Csup said:

There are plenty of other reasons to get rid of Rivera.  Including he stinks as a head coach.

He's been good as HC. But he can't be GM and HC.

He's had 0% success rate at evaluating the most important position in the game.

(and no, Mayhew doesn't count. RR is the one with the final say on personnel).

4 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Gotta be more specific, tou think SF was most important game of the season?

 

I disagree. That home game against Giants was. That's why it was flexed, we weren't going to beat SF, they're too good, we had to at least split with the Giants so we could a must win in Dallas.

I was talking about today. This was the most important game of the entire season and RR effed it, man.

The benching vs SF should have been a wake up call for TH to get his act together today.

EVERYONE knew Wentz would suck today. Everyone with any common sense at all.

Guess what? He sucked!

Totally deflated the team. A sad way to end the season.

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

No he’s not.

 

Yes he is.

 

Neither Wentz or McNabb were FA’s

My mistake. They were not FAs.

But they sure as heck were both terrible.

14 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

They are both garbage, one better then the other doesn't matter.

 

We had to bench Taylor, we didn't win a game in December.  Jus horrible situation with Wentz and can't go to Howell yet.

I'm not sure we HAD to bench him for the most important game of the season.

One quarter? Yes. But not the game where the whole season is on the line.

11 minutes ago, KDawg said:

And neither are competent quarterbacks. Good roster construction.

 

And we still haven’t seen the rookie.

Well, TH is exciting at the very least.

Wentz is just incompetent. No other way around it.

Worse FA signing since McNabb.

9 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

And this is why Ron will lose the locker room which in turn will lead to his firing on Black Monday. 

Can't wait for the day

3 minutes ago, Alexa said:

Whomever made the decision  to bring Wentz here should be stripped of his GM duties. He should never be allowed to pick the players for this team as long as he is employed here. 

RR should be stripped of ALL team duties.

Dude just cannot pick a decent QB here.

1 minute ago, HogsVa7 said:

For all the Wentz fans on here that wanted him to play tell me what you think now? Should have kept Heinicke in as a starter. Heinicke should have been in after the the second int from Wentz

Absolutely.

Most important game of the season and Wentz lays a huge egg.

TH would have at least shown some spunk.

The debate is over:

TH is a much better QB than Wentz.

We should have never made the change to this guy.

This was an absolutely pathetic way to end a possible playoff run started by Heine.

I still believe the O-Line played a huge factor in most of TH's mistakes these last few weeks.

Case in point: that terrible interception today where the ball came out with three SF linemen in his face.

Our QBs get pressured constantly and we've normalized that.

By contrast, all of Purdy's big plays came when the guy had all day long to throw. The guy was basically in his own personal island.

Until we get that kind of performance from our O-Line in passing plays I don't think it matter who plays QB.

9 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

Bringing in Wentz could turn into the dumbest thing this team has done in at least a few years. He better play well and also win because if he doesn't and gets hurt anyway then they are probably stuck with that contract for a guy who wouldn't be on the team otherwise.

 

That'll end up being a lot worse than losing that 2nd rounder for him if he never got hurt.

That's a great point, man. Right now Wentz is dead weight.

It was a terrible idea by RR. The man just can't seem to tie down or evaluate a good QB for us.

On 12/20/2022 at 6:49 AM, ColonialWBSkinsFan said:

 

I actually agree that this is exactly what is going to happen.  

Sadly, it will. These 49ers are for real. 

The only possible way I see us winning this game is by relentlessly pressuring their new QB. Otherwise, this game will be over by halftime.

Their QB is very very good when he has time to throw. Like scary good. You have to blitz the guy.

There is a silver lining. You Heine Haters will finally get to see Wentz play another game if they smash us, if only as a last gasp option.

I don't expect a miracle, though. 

SF: 36

WSH: 9

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

O line was bad last year?

It's been incredibly irregular since Scherff and Trent Williams left.

I suppose it was expected.

9 hours ago, Conn said:

This has nothing to do with your comment about Heinicke’s lack of arm strength. That’s all I was addressing. 

Oh...

2 hours ago, HigSkin said:

 

They'll improve that oline next year.  I could see the attraction especially if Bezos buys the team.  A lot of high profile QB's that like the spotlight would be intrigued about coming here.  The only thing I wonder about was the rumors last year that Brady and Sean Peyton were a package deal to Miami.

 

 

Intrigued = bat **** crazy?

If this O-Line magically transforms from one year to the next it will be RR's crowning achievement.

His track record seems pretty weak in this regard, though.

1 hour ago, Conn said:

Maybe try reading the entire post you responded to instead of clipping one sentence to quote so that you can repeat yourself. I addressed everything you’re asking. So did others.

I'm quoting the relevant part of the argument to avoid text walls. Makes it easier to read.

But I'm seeing the same argument again and again with a huge bias. Clearly TH is an unbalanced QB, but he's the best QB we have right now.

Sad? Yes. But the blame should be placed on RR, not the guy throwing the passes since he's had more than enough time to evaluate him.

Placing all our chips on Wentz (and before that the bearded 40 y/o guy that lasted for about 1 quarter before getting injured) was a huge planning mistake.

That's two consecutive years the guy makes the same horrible QB evaluation error.

2 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

No. It doesn't. Like, at all.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Sadly for us  it's never that easy.

This goes wayyy back decades where a technically and more "orthodox" QB is surpassed by another lesser guy that gives us a better shot at winning.

I see this TH drama as a continuation of this long franchise story. 

This season is clearly done. The TH experiment brought us to this juncture and I believe RR will just "dance with the one that brought you".

53 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

ESPN, thinks Brady on their radar.  He has moxie, not Heinicke level moxie though. 

 

Feels too weird.  I think for sure that's only if Dan sells.  Forget if we are interested but just focusing on him, no way I'd think he'd want to come.

With this O-Line Brady would be signing a deathwish by coming here.

Dude wouldn't last a game.

3 hours ago, Conn said:

 We have almost two seasons worth of games of him to reference at this point and you can’t see that? 

So it's a question of technique then?

I saw the man heave the ball in a critical point of the game.

3 hours ago, mistertim said:

I don't know how many times people have to point out that being able to throw a deep ball like that isn't much of a barometer for NFL arm strength.

Maybe. But it discredits the belief that "TH has a weak arm not apt for the NFL".

"TH has a weak arm".

Apparently no one here saw that 60+ yard bomb last Sunday.

Yeesh.

46 minutes ago, tmandoug1 said:

It's official we broke 1k pages on how bad out QB's are.....again.  Should lock this thread until we have a QB.....same **** every day all day. I'm out of this thread until a name in the title changes. 

Nothing will change at the QB level until our O-line improves.

It's a sick game the FO has played on us for 20+ years. 

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

It's like everyone forgot last season when after rattling off a handful of wins, the same thing happened with Heinicke.  That is what happens when a QB2 who's ceiling is QB2 plays for an extended amount of time.   No matter how much experience he gets, how many reps, how many film rooms, his ceiling is not rising.

Ok, but the O-line is actually sinking. We need guys who can pass protect.

Either  that or RR wants mauls every team by running 50+ times a game and expects no mistakes by his QBs.