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But I never made that argument against JJ. I said he looks like Jimmy Clausen with wheels. All I'm saying is he looks like a college QB but not an NFL QB, like hundreds of others who came before him. His skills don't look next level to me.

Given all the good/great players in the league taken after the first half of the first round those numbers surprise me. The first pick is worth 2600 points and the 40th pick is worth 500 just sounds so off to me. I would certainly rather have 5 early second round picks than 1 pick at #2. But they know I guess

The thing is we have no idea how much draft capital it'll take to move up next year. They could finish with the 13th- 15th pick. Are we going to give up all the pics that we got in the trade back a year later, or possibly more, to get to where we are already sitting today? With no guarantee next year's top 2 QBs are as good as these 2? Just pull the trigger when you have the chance I say.

He was a fine college QB. The road to the NFL is littered with good college quarterbacks who didn't make it.

Chase Young played 9 games for the Niners. He recorded 10 tackles, 2 1/2 sacks and as we saw above continued his pattern of quitting on plays. Had they retained him this is the production we would've gotten out of him in a lost season. Then they would either lose him for nothing (no guarantee of a comp pick as they will be active in free agency) or overpay for a pass rusher who can't get to the QB and managed basically 1 tackle a game on a DL that gave him plenty of opportunities given their talent.

Yes it was just one game but I don't think you can just dismiss how bad he looked on the biggest stage. Or how nobody was talking about him as a top 10 pick until the Texas game, which was also just one game.

You are putting Lawrence in the same group as Herbert and Allen? This is what I've been talking about. The love for Trevor Lawrence is so puzzling to me.

You are making excuses. Some of these near misses was a result of poor throws. FYI Red Zone does not just show TDs. They switch to games that show regular plays too, especially when they are close late. Every QB suffers from drops. His may be higher but a few more drops over the course of a season won't change his numbers that much. And they are pretty middle of the road for a "franchise quarterback". He just misses too many throws to carry that label.

And yet people still refer to him as a franchise QB.

You guys have sold me on McClay, obviously Dallas has drafted really well. He is currently the VP of Player Personnel. Could they not offer him a higher title, like President, and that would prevent Jerry from blocking the move? .

I don't see how you can say a QB who is not even in the top 12 in his best seasons has become a franchise QB. The love Trevor Lawrence continues to get is very puzzling to me.

Did I read that they are interviewing Martin Mayhew for the GM position? Why exactly? In addition I though the plan was to hire a GM and let him decide the coach. So why are they lining up interviews for the coaching position before a GM has been named?

The Washington RT gave a Wylie performance, he killed what chance they had.

This is why I laughed for a week at all the people who were pimping Penix after the Texas game. Not just message boards, people who are paid a lot of money for their opinion always overreact to what they have seen last. Penix was always so far behind the other 3 he was not even worth being mentioned for the Commanders pick. And I will stand on the position until proven wrong that JJ McCarthy is not an NFL franchise QB.

You don't get to watch every play of the other players across the league either. Does that mean I should take the same condescending tone and dismiss you when you comment about other players around the league? I'm just saying unlike a Jags fan I have not watched every Lawrence play. But from what I have seen, and over time that's a pretty good sample size, I'm pretty confident I've seen enough of him to have a valid opinion,

He had a high ankle sprain and a concussion. That should not make him miss as many throws as he did and throw so many picks. 19 TDs and 12 INTs is unacceptable. I've just never been a fan and the Jags are one of the teams I root for because they have been mostly bad. I really wanted him to be good but the tape does not lie. He is an average starting QB and that's just not good enough in today's game.

I've watched what I could of Trevor Lawrence on the Red Zone Channel. But I saw him a lot as I watched Red Zone most of the year. He just looks like a guy, certainly not even close to the player he was projected to be. I watched the Jags down 8 with the season on the line and had zero confidence in Trevor Lawrence. He sailed the 4th down pass 4 feet over the receiver with their season on the line, I'm not even sure they got a first down. And I'm not sure it can all be blamed on his situation. . Obviously the Jags have no choice but to sign him to a big contract. And it will kill them.

I stopped watching those YouTube videos from some guy's basement. Every prospect looks good if you only look at their highlights. To me the best way is to watch entire games.

Yes he played in the SEC. He also had far better receivers than say Maye and that also makes a difference. People are getting so worked up over the "one year wonder" thing. Well going into this last season nobody had Daniels being picked in the top 5. So in terms of the NFL draft, which is what we are discussing, he was in fact a one year wonder.

I still lean Maye, I'm done with short QBs. I want the QB who can stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball who also offers mobility but I'm not married to Maye. If the new FO likes Daniels well then I will too.

Just a month ago we were hoping to stay in the top 7 to secure one of the top OTs or perhaps a TE. Weeks of breaks went our way, the bad teams around us pulled upsets multiple times as we did our part and lost out. Now we sit at 2 and have a real shot at a player who can literally change the franchise's future overnight. Things are changing in Washington. The Snyder Stink is gone and things are finally breaking our way. There is every reason in the world to be more optimistic today than at any time in the last 30 years.

I want to shift my attention to the Giants to make sure they pick the latest possible. Anybody feel like doing a Tank-A-Thon for their scenario so we know who to root for/against?

Again Howell showed he can play in the league, at times at a fairly high level despite his situation. You can't convince me the next 5th or 6th rounder will reach Howell's level.

Assuming these points are tied to the Pats. I know I should know this but if the Pats lose where do we pick if we win?

Yep Howell has shown he can play in the league, his regression this year was kind of understandable given the circumstances. it's foolish to trade a guy who can play in the league who holds little value to turn around and spend the 6th rounder they get for him on another late round QB who most likely won't be as good.