Going Commando Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Is Sumlin popping out NFL starters at QB or busts? This Kenny Hill guy looked great against South Carolina. I think Manziel's success or failure in the NFL won't have much bearing on Kenny Hill's potential. But I do think they have some similarities. I question whether either has an NFL body. Hill looks like he has a better body than Manziel, but neither are prototype QBs. And both put up/are putting up ridiculous numbers as a product of playing in a pass heavy system with elite talent surrounding them. But that doesn't mean they can't be successful in the NFL. Well... Manziel won't be, he's got zero chance in Cleveland. But Hill could have the right stuff and then it's only a matter of ending up on the right team. He's at least one to watch the next two years, because he already looks NFL bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I actually like Oakland's offensive line this year. I know, I know, it's Oakland. But if the FO can just get out of the way for once, they might have a bit of an offense to go with what looks like a solid defensive group. I also REALLY like Tennessee's offensive line. Wishing I had drafted Bishop Sankey in my fantasy league. And I really REALLY like Minnesota's offensive line. Glad I drafted Adrian Peterson. I have this theory I want to keep in mind this season. It goes, since football is fundamentally a game of blocking and tackling, the best teams are the ones with the best blockers and the best tacklers... plus quarterback. So my hypothesis is then that if you can correctly determine whose offensive line and defensive front will perform the best, you can predict who almost all of the best teams are going to be. Plus the caveat that they need to have at least stable performance at QB. And then it stands to reason that, everything else being about equal, the best performing units are going to be the ones with the best individual talent. So you can look at the talent level of the players in a teams OL and defensive front (and the quality of their QB) and get a good idea of how well they're going to play this season if most of their guys stay healthy. Anyway, I think improving the caliber of talent on our OL and DL remains our surest and most direct path to improving the team. And you usually have to draft the big guys to get them. So that's what I'll be paying attention to the most this year. Trent is a keeper and Moses has the potential to be. Don't know about Spencer Long yet. But other than that, I'm still seeing nothing but a bunch of average starters and replacement level players at DT, DE, C, & G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I say OLB...... yes I'm still not over it. I agree with those that mentioned DL. Hatcher and Cofied are bound to decline sooner then later and you build before the flood. Same can be said for Safety. It would be nice to sure up the interior/rightside OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cumberland Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I say OLB...... yes I'm still not over it. I was as shocked as anyone when the card read TMurph in Rd 2 and like everyone else, I was like 'who?'.... lol  Anyway, I think Bruce the Capologist has a plan when it comes to Rak and Kerrigan and it's actually to draft another OLB early next year.  Rak will be gone, imho and his replacement will be the OLB selected next year whereas TMurph will replace Kerrigan in 2016.  Remember, we're going to need a lot of cap space for Griff and TWilliams soon.  I believe he's thinking this will be the best way to achieve the dollars that will be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Wow, this is early. Season hasn't even started. You guys are true draft diehards. I applaud you and the work out into these threads every year. Safety (as always), center and depth at Oline, LB and special teams for next years draft for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 For all those Navy fans out there who predetermined not to watch today, or at least for those fans of upsets, turn your TV to CBS sports network.  Navy is hanging with and leading Ohio State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Would not mind seeing Gator Chaz Green in the B&G... Â Not sold on Moses yet, but some of you whose opinions I respect do so we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 We're set at the skill positions...Yay!  1. F/S (impact player) 2. O/T (quality starter) 3. S - to groom as a replacement for either Merriweather or Clark 4. LB/OLB (potential starter) 5. D/T (could become a starter after grooming) 6. QB (to groom as a backup) 7. Best athlete available  HTTR!  I don't think they can wait till next year to start grooming someone who can replace those two.  They neither need to be grooming someone now or they need to draft an immediate starter or sign a FA to replace them next year.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 1st: G/T 2nd: S 3rd: DT 4th: G 5th: CB 6th: DT 7th: ILB  That would be ideal. Some of my eaaaaaarly favorites are La'el Collins, Landon Collins, Brandon Schereff, Shilique Calhoun and Hauoil Kikaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 During the Notre Dame v. Rice game, check out the Rice DT, 3-Tech, Christian Covington. He wears #1.  He's a very active player, has the knack for getting off blocks. He's racked up solid numbers for TFL and sacks the last two years, been recognized in conference as a 1st Team player, as well as possible All-American.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133281/christian-covington  CBS Sports' Dane Bugler notes:  Rice senior DT Christian Covington "compared very favorably to Timmy Jernigan" on tape.  "The British Columbia native lined up mostly as a one-technique defensive tackle for the Owls last season and on tape he compared very favorably to Timmy Jernigan, who was a second round pick this past May, Brugler wrote.  The 6-foot-3, 295 pound Covington led the Owls in tackles for loss (11.5) in 2013 and earned First Team All-CUSA honors in his sophomore campaign.  If Covington can refine his game as a junior, Brugler "wouldn't be a surprise if Covington earns top-40 grades from NFL scouts."  Jul 16 - 4:50 PM Source: CBB Sports  Christian Covington - Rice - Bio Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsworth Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Watched the UCLA/Virginia game, both O-lines were terrible-no help there . I guess it's early in the season and they might get organised and improve. Hundley was pretty bad too, got the jitters with his pocket collapsing around him. D-Line had the most imprssive looking guys for both sides, though to what degree that was down to the ineptitude of the linemen who were supposed to be blocking them is questionable. Â I'm hoping we improve both lines in FA/Draft next year (though of course that may change when this year's team actually plays some meaningful games ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 WVU WR Kevin White is ballin against Bama. Looks like a Larry Fitz offspring. Can high point the ball, and has great hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Not sure when he is eligible, but Dadi Nicolas is a freak athlete. Needs to add some weight but could be a hell of a player. Had some excellent film vs Bama iifc last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsworth Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Agree that White had a pretty impressive game, thought the W.Virginia guards Glowinski & Spain were pretty good as a pair too, kept a pretty good pocket against the 'Bama front and got some lanes created inside. (I'd have had the center in their too until he fired a snap 20 yards backwards!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm actually liking Tre Jackson more than Matias.  A little more squat in stature compared to his stablemate, but I'm liking how he sets and arches his back, reestablishes his feet in pass-pro - similar technique to Rodney Hudson.  http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209573002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm actually liking Tre Jackson more than Matias.  A little more squat in stature compared to his stablemate, but I'm liking how he sets and arches his back, reestablishes his feet in pass-pro - similar technique to Rodney Hudson.  http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=209573002  Honestly not a big fan of the FSU OL. They all seem to be a mess in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Like Jackson, but I wonder how well he would fit this scheme. Doesn't seem to be the most nimble of linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Rafael Gaglianone http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/rafael_gaglianone_907857.html   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Really wish my guy Diggs was in a situation more conducive to destroying the NCAA like he's capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The Wisconsin offensive line is just so technically sound, as always. Watching them get off the line and into the defender before they can even react is like precision clockwork. Just superiorly coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Honestly not a big fan of the FSU OL. They all seem to be a mess in different ways.  I can see why you'd say that. I'm simply not allowing over-hype to influence me. If I say these guys are mid-rounders then I can see individual positives. And I guess I'm simply just talking about Jackson without any incorporation of the other guys.  The hype makers may have everyone selling, or simply, people see these certain names at, or near, the top of the list and they balk at it. I'm staying medium.  But there's still something to the size and leverage of the guards, like Jackson, which are, at the very least, utilitarian and in some way, pleasing. In some ways, I'm so disappointed with our interior o-line, so beaten down with frustration over the last few years, that with exasperation, I'll take anybody with a big body (not literally).  Jackson did get leverage tonight in both run and pass blocking. He drove people back at times, created some space. He's got a wide body and did his role which was to shield his backfield, block people. He did show the ability to absorb a rusher.  So simply, just from the standpoint that I just want an offensive guard who can stand his ground, not have his ass smooched into the dirt, I'll take a guy with some limitation to movement skills if I can get some size and anchor.  So, Jackson: mid-rounds, some positives, not blown-away impressed, but not disappointed.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlldaySkins Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Rashad Greene is going to transition to the pros smoothly. Fortunately that really isn't a need for us so I just hope he doesn't end up in Dallas or New York. That KR for Oklahoma State U. is freaking fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Quick shout out to Steve and his boy Kelechi Osemele. Osemele did some nasty stuff to us during the preseason game. And he looks so beast on the interior. Steve was right about him.  Osemele gave a handshiver to Murphy's chin that stunned him so demonstratively, it was like a left hook from Sonny Liston. Incidentally, Murphy was knocked to the ground multiple times that game by Osemele and Cofield even got his ass plowed back by KO. He's got the size, punch and movement skills, speed.  That's the template for me.  Give me a college tackle at 6'6, 330+ lbs, solid, and (Steve's word): a "svelte" big body, then move him to guard.  Just blast people back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxJoe Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 After last season's failures, I thought the priority in the offseason was: Â Defense 1) get more pressure in the interior. 2) get better safeties Offense 1) get better receivers 2) improve pass pro. Â Unfortunately, I don't think we improved the OL all that much and our safety situation is still a question mark with the oft suspended Merriweather and oft injured Phil Thomas. Â Will Long fill in for Chester this year? Â Will the expensive Lichtensteiger perform well at center? Will Moses replace Polumbus and do well? Â Â So personally this collegiate season I'll be looking at Centers, Tackles and Safeties. Â So I guess my draft would be: Â Pick 1) A starting Safety Pick 2) A starting Center Pick 3) Better depth at Tackle if/when Moses takes over (Compton just doesn't seem like he's it) 4-7) Don't really care about the order but It'd be nice to start looking for at least an ILB to groom and a LT to groom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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