stevenaa Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 It's comical watching these guys. They haven't figured out yet that the only thing that will happen is they will end up hiding in a ditch somewhere awaiting their deserved fate. http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-assad-warns-earthquake-west-intervenes-000302411.html AMMAN (Reuters) - Western powers would cause an "earthquake" in the Middle East if they intervened in Syria, President Bashar al-Assad said in an interview published on Sunday, after protesters demanded outside protection from a crackdown that has killed 3,000 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I can't imagine the number of people killed on 9/11 being slaughter in the streets by our own government. I can certainly empathize with the people of Syria, but I'm not prepared to say what I think our response should be. There are some stories that really make you stop and be thankful for what we have though. There's nowhere else on earth I'd rather live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/LeShaque AJA BRK: Arab League ministerial committee agree on work plan with Syria and it will be disclosed tomorrow. 28 minutes agoAJA BRK: Arab League ministerial committee hands Syria's reps a working paper and is waiting for response tomorrow. 12 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/CFKlebergTT Death toll in Syria rises. Today 11 people killed say activists. 4 in Homs 3 in Hama 2 in Daraa and 1 in Idlib / Harasta. 17 minutes ago"Heavy gunfire" in Nayrab Idlib as security forces sweep area, activists tell me. 10 minutes ago Army vehicles stormed Bokamal [Deir Ez-Zour] "with a heavy spread of security forces and surrounding of most mosques", activists tell me. 9 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/funmoi Snipers in the streets of Homs. A small girl was shot in the back today (family neighboor) 21 minutes agoSniper shooting at water and fuel containers on rooftops, flooding the buildings Homs Syria 18 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The last resort of a toppling dictator. Tell the world that there will be a total disaster if the authoritarian regime is overthrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/BSyria Witness from Hama on AJA: One Shadi Juma, 31, detained three days ago, was returned dead to his family. Tortured to death. 10 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/AJELive President Bashar al-Assad said he was willing to talk to the opposition. http://aje.me/w2lS3p 28 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/M_akbik AFP: Qatari PM warns Syrian regime not to take the path of twisting, turning or fraud. 43 minutes agoArab countries gived Syria an initiative to stop the violence &the regime should answer by tomorrow. 47 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/CFKlebergTT Nato "all but rules out" Syria NFZ, Guardian reports. Says Libya "template" unlikely to work, lacks support. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/30/nato-syria-no-fly-zone 5 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenaa Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 Why wonm't the Libya template work? Not enough populus support to overthrow the regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Why wonm't the Libya template work? Not enough populus support to overthrow the regime? But Nato officials say the Libya "template" is unlikely to work in Syria, adding that currently a Syrian "mission" lacks both international consensus and wider regional support.The UN security council would need to approve any Syrian operation – a step that would be unlikely given Russian and Chinese opposition. "We would need a clear mandate from the international community, as well as support from the Arab League and Syria's neighbours," a Nato official said, adding that so far "no-one had asked" for Nato's help. (The population density might make it harder too. That last part isn't really true though, unless he means Syria's neighbors.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/Basma_ Syrian Delegation left Doha Qatar without giving response to the Arab League paper which includes proposals to end violence in Syria. 39 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/DavidKenner NATO chief pours yet more cold water over no-fly zone in Syria: "It's totally ruled out." http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2011/Oct-31/152689-nato-chief-rules-out-no-fly-zone-for-syria.ashx#axzz1cN0lVOse 1 hour ago He was pretty negative about the chances of NATO getting involved in Libya as well. I don't think he ever specificially ruled it out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Why wonm't the Libya template work? Not enough populus support to overthrow the regime? Two things (though noone will say them outright): 1. The Libyan rebels put together an army of sorts, and NATO's role was basically as their air force. The Syrian opposition doesn't have any real military capability, which means the only action capable of success would have to include ground troops...not gonna happen. 2. While Libya has tribal divisions galore, it is almost entirely Sunni Muslim. Syria has deep ethno-religious divisions between Sunni, Alawi, Druze, and Christian. Religious violence in the aftermath of the Assad regime is likely to be horrific, and we don't want to be blamed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Assad predicts disaster, isn't that what he already has on his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The last resort of a toppling dictator. Tell the world that there will be a total disaster if the authoritarian regime is overthrown. I was thinking more along the lines of Baghdad Bob predicting how the Americans would be slaughtered if they messed with the Iraqi Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/CFKlebergTT Once again Syria death toll rises, LCC activists tell me. 10 killed today. Homs:6 Idlib:2 Harasta:1 Kafarnaboda:1 54 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/AlArabiya_Eng Algerian Foreign Minister: an agreement has been reached with the Syrians in the Arab committee meeting 3 hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Iraq Lobster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFupStJtosw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Sounds like Assad has a perfectly reasonable point. It's lucky for Syria that Assad's found such a persuasive spokesman able to tailor statements for public consumption so artfully. Bagdad Bob, I was wondering what happenned to that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Diplomats-Syria-Agrees-to-Parts-of-Plan-to-End-Crackdown-132994023.html Diplomats: Syria Agrees to Parts of Plan to End CrackdownArab diplomats say Syria has agreed to parts of an Arab League plan to end its deadly crackdown on a Syrian opposition uprising against President Bashar al-Assad's 11-year rule. The diplomats said Tuesday that Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem accepted some of the Arab League proposals during talks with Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jasim al-Thani in Doha on Sunday. The plan calls for the Syrian government to withdraw security forces from the streets, stop violence by pro-government forces against civilians, and begin a dialogue with the Syrian opposition in Cairo. There has been no official statement from the Syrian government. Reports say Syria will not accept all Arab League demands. The London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted diplomatic sources as saying Syria objected to meeting opposition leaders in Cairo and insisted on holding such talks in Damascus. On Tuesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed support for the Syrian opposition. Turkey's Today's Zaman reported that Erdogan told a Parliament meeting that he believes "the Syrian people will be successful in their glorious resistance." http://twitter.com/#!/RulaAmin Activists say 7 people were killed today in Syria7 minutes ago ---------- Post added November-1st-2011 at 12:23 PM ---------- http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/11/more-syrians-are-calling-for-a-no-fly-zone-should-we-take-it-seriously/247637/ More Syrians Are Calling for a No-Fly Zone—Should We Take it Seriously? Last week, Syrian opposition activists agreed on the theme of their customary end-of-week protests: "No-Fly Zone Friday." However, protests on the streets throughout Syria were less clear-cut in their demands. Protestors in Homs shouted to the international community, "God, Syria, we want a no-fly zone," while others in Damascus chanted, "people want a ban on flying." Some signs in Homs read, "A no-fly zone is a legitimate demand for Homs," or simply depicted the universal symbol of a plane within a circle, slashed through by a red line. In summary, according to anti-regime activists, a NFZ over Syria would protect the armed opposition groups; provide international legitimacy for an armed uprising; encourage defections from regime security forces; and fulfill the international community's responsibility, since Libyan anti-regime were extended a NFZ.It is highly unlikely that all, if any, of these objectives would be met by an internationally mandated NFZ over Syria. Indeed, these objectives would certainly require a much larger commitment of military force, including air strikes and the associated forward air controllers that are required to guide the bombs. Despite the rising death toll, it is unlikely that the international community will intervene militarily in Syria. Earlier today, while traveling to Tripoli, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen was asked if the alliance would lead a NFZ over Syria. He replied: "It's totally ruled out. We have no intention whatsoever to intervene in Syria." Thus, for now the demands of protestors will be ignored. But, given how quickly things could change, the international community should think through the operational requirements and realistic objectives of a NFZ over Syria. ---------- Post added November-1st-2011 at 12:31 PM ---------- http://twitter.com/#!/Reuters FLASH: Syrian TV says agreement reached between Syria and Arab League Committee on Syria unrest, official announcement in Cairo Wednesday 3 minutes ago Ceasefire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/FuatKircaali Syrian TV says Syria revolution is over, everybody can go home now, official announcement in Cairo Wednesday. 2 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/AlexanderPageSY if the arab league thinks when it comes to an agreement with Assad that we will just sit and watch, very mistaken, they dont decide for us 2 hours agoSyria'n people only back an arab league decision that seeks the interests of the Syrian people, otherwise whatever they have to say is void 2 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/BSyria The Syrian regime is not only buying itself more time, it is also buying time for the cowardly Arab league. 2 hours agoIn response to the regime's agreement to "half" of the AL proposal, protesters promised to cut their protests in half, starting tomorrow. 2 hours ago http://twitter.com/#!/edwardedark whatever agreement Syria and the Arab league have reached, rest assured the regime will breach it almost immediately - zero credibility 2 hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 One of the central premises of these Arab Spring uprisings is not to compromise with the dictators. Time favors the dictators not the demonstrators. So when Mubaric asks for calm or compromise the demonostrators say forget it. I'm sure they will say the same thing to the Syrian Assad as they are all following the same handbook on how to orchestrate civil unrest. So the Arab Spring, which really doesn't have issues with dictators are willing to compromise, doesn't mean the demonstrators are; or should.. Not like Saudi Arabia is really gun ho to see a dictator expelled by it's people on general principle. Saudi might like the dictator to look better by not butchering it's people on global TV and seek compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 One of the central premises of these Arab Spring uprisings is not to compromise with the dictators. Time favors the dictators not the demonstrators. So when Mubaric asks for calm or compromise the demonostrators say forget it. I'm sure they will say the same thing to the Syrian Assad as they are all following the same handbook on how to orchestrate civil unrest I think compromise went out the window back when the government "removed the emergancy law" and then decided that any more protesting was unnecessary and deserving of death. That won't stop the Arab League and some international powers from calling for dialogue and an internal solution though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I think compromise went out the window back when the government "removed the emergancy law" and then decided that any more protesting was unnecessary and deserving of death.That won't stop the Arab League and some international powers from calling for dialogue and an internal solution though. Agreed, the demonstrators are looking for democratic reforms and that means teh end of Assad and his cronies. There is no compromise to be had. Assad agreeign to a "compromise" with the Arab League is a low threshold although perhaps it will ease some of the bad behavior by the government there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/BSyria AJA: The Arab League has not received a reply from Syria yet.5 minutes ago Uh...hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/RodrigoEBR At least 18 people have been killed in the Syrian province of Homs Wednesday, the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said-CNN 39 minutes ago http://twitter.com/#!/SherineT This is a good breakdown of Syrian opposition groups & how they came about (via Foreign Policy) Syria http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/02/meet_syrias_opposition 3 hours ago ---------- Post added November-2nd-2011 at 10:06 AM ---------- http://twitter.com/#!/BreakingNews Gunmen attacks kill at least 20 civilians in Syria over the past 24 hours, activists say - @AP http://apne.ws/uYlPF6 58 seconds ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Assad is scared, and he needs to keep control of his country, right now he's the guy who is in a fight screaming at others to stay out of it as a bluff because he has no way to fight on two fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/AlArabiya_Eng Syrian activists say that security forces have killed 21 people across the country today. 39 minutes agoBreakingNews: Syria fully accepts an Arab League plan to end nearly eight months of bloodshed. 5 minutes ago Skeptical, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Let's see how much if any of this is actually followed through on. http://twitter.com/#!/RulaAmin Syria agrees to Arab league initiative to stop violence and crisis in Syria 9 minutes agoArab league says agreement must be implemented immedietely, ending the violence, releasing the prisoners 9 minutes ago After implementation, Arab league will facilitate dialogue between syrian govt and opposition 6 minutes ago Qatari PM : the agreement is clear, we are happy with it, will be happier when implemented 6 minutes ago Arab league SG:the goal of this initiative is to introduce & Arab resolution to the syrian crisis, and a message to the syrian people 5 minutes ago Arab league SG:agreement allows Arab league monitors to go into Syria as well as Arab and intl media 5 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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