coles slaw Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 You overpayed for him but if he can keep his hammies healthy he's a very solid WR. He was limited by Paul Hackett's hideous playcalling and Pennington being in and out of the line-up. Good Luck S.Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsForLife260 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 How much do you think Rosenhaus makes. How many people does he rep on the team alone? And the article said he reps owens and walker. He must be living it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhiladelphiaFecals Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Can you image what this place would be like if the Cowboys or Eagles gave a marginal receiver like Moss a signing bonus that big? You'd all be killing them, but since the Redskins did it most of you love it and praise it. I understand this is a Redskins site and that's to be expected, but don't act like you're objective at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Schein and Riggins are now talking this up. They are both saying that the whole Moss "hold-out" rumors were created by Rosenhaus in order to give Taylor a hangout buddy while he is getting mentally fit for football. Said they feel that Taylor doesnt really want nor expects another penny more than his contract states and really wanted the "time away" to clear his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Well, he got number 1 money, that's for sure. If he can be a true game changing number 1, then all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by PhiladelphiaFecals Can you image what this place would be like if the Cowboys or Eagles gave a marginal receiver like Moss a signing bonus that big? You'd all be killing them, but since the Redskins did it most of you love it and praise it. I understand this is a Redskins site and that's to be expected, but don't act like you're objective at all. Moss is better than a "marginal reciever." He is in the top 20 in the league, and he had better stats than Coles last year. And I'm not talking about receps and yards, but percentage of catches with balls thrown, catches for first downs, etc. Don't forget Coles had the most balls thrown to him all year. Moss would have gotten over 100 catches and 1000+ yards. Plus with an improved offensive system this year, a better QB, and more deep balls, Moss will contribute heavily. And the Eagles are stuck in their own little WR contract fiasco, aren't they? Mark my words, in two to three years, Moss will be a much better WR than Owens, and that's after you pay him more than we paid our Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Moss better than Owens? Who, Billy Owens maybe? I know you're not talking about TO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXREDSKINS44 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by riggins44 Wonder if there is clause in the contract that he brings Taylor with him? :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles slaw Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsTillIDie Moss is better than a "marginal reciever." He is in the top 20 in the league, and he had better stats than Coles last year. And I'm not talking about receps and yards, but percentage of catches with balls thrown, catches for first downs, etc. Don't forget Coles had the most balls thrown to him all year. Moss would have gotten over 100 catches and 1000+ yards. Plus with an improved offensive system this year, a better QB, and more deep balls, Moss will contribute heavily. And the Eagles are stuck in their own little WR contract fiasco, aren't they? Mark my words, in two to three years, Moss will be a much better WR than Owens, and that's after you pay him more than we paid our Santana. 1. You don't have a QB better than Pennington on your team but your OC can't be worse than Hackett. Moss should do well in D.C. 2. Moss better than Owens, that might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenaciousB15 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsTillIDie And the Eagles are stuck in their own little WR contract fiasco, aren't they? Mark my words, in two to three years, Moss will be a much better WR than Owens, and that's after you pay him more than we paid our Santana. Terrell will be 34 then, you would hope so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 6 years without worrying about a gamebreaking #2 isn't a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 And come on, by that time we will have definitely traded a disgruntled Santana away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 yeah, I think the bonus is alittle high, but the overall deal seems average. However, I'm still not exactly high on Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Yah, in 2-3 years, Owens will be 34, hence my "bold" prediction (which some above have scoffed at... shame on you). Moss will be better than a 34 year old Owens, and I am assuming the Eagles will cave in to Owens' demands for a new contract at some point. And I meant that we had a better QB now in Ramsey than we did most of last season with Brunell. Thus Moss should have a better season than Coles did last year. And don't forget that Moss doesn't have that toe problem that effects his burst, and is one of the league's premier punt returners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by soljaofjesus im sure somewere along the line it does.. but we pay out 11 mill in 2 years? I wonder how we are going to do that The 11 million is spread out over the 6 year contract for salary cap purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Didn't the Jets bench Moss last year as a punt returner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles slaw Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by Hooper Didn't the Jets bench Moss last year as a punt returner? Yes. He kept running out of bounds (the coaches got fed up with it) but if he's able to hit a seam chalk up 6. He doesn't like contact, will alligator some passes over the middle as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsTillIDie Moss is better than a "marginal reciever." He is in the top 20 in the league, and he had better stats than Coles last year. And I'm not talking about receps and yards, but percentage of catches with balls thrown, catches for first downs, etc. Don't forget Coles had the most balls thrown to him all year. Moss would have gotten over 100 catches and 1000+ yards. Plus with an improved offensive system this year, a better QB, and more deep balls, Moss will contribute heavily. And the Eagles are stuck in their own little WR contract fiasco, aren't they? Mark my words, in two to three years, Moss will be a much better WR than Owens, and that's after you pay him more than we paid our Santana. Not that I'm trying to defend Coles, but he was playing many games with a dislocated finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by jchild Moss is not a better receiver than Mushin! He may be younger but he isn't as good or at least hasn't shown it up to this point in his career. I can only imagine he means that in long term potential because Mushin probably only has 2-4 productive years left in his career, plus he's done quite a bit of vanishing in recent years other than what he did this past season and during the panthers stretch run in late '03 and during the playoffs. It's a typical Redskin deal. Throwing mad jack at other peoples problems, and lowballing our own guys. Ridiculous and so tiresome. If it's true that Coles would have paid back his bonus for freedom, or a portion of it, than this is the height of idiocy (essentially payint out 20 million in SB's to the ghost of Coles, and WR in Moss who has yet to prove he's a great starter, let alone a nice #2 option). Either way though, this is a bad deal. It's All Pro/Pro Bowl money and he isn't either. Maybe he will someday, but he hasn't earned this huge pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles slaw Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsFanMania Not that I'm trying to defend Coles, but he was playing many games with a dislocated finger. he also played many games with Mark Brunell at QB :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 I'm just glad that everyone seems ok with this. When you first traded for him, people were outraged when it was even suggested Moss would get a double digit signing bonus: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96508&highlight=moss+new+deal+bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by Truant Moss is a better WR than Mushin. No, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Loki Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks Westbrook! Good lookin out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenaciousB15 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 I'm just glad that everyone seems ok with this. When you first traded for him, people were outraged when it was even suggested Moss would get a double digit signing bonus: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96508&highlight=moss+new+deal+bonus sssssss, this isn't relevant for such and such a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani2 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 the skins over pay again. Moss isn't worth 11 million SB and 31 million dollar contract. Danny will never learn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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