heyholetsgogrant Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Washington Post says this morning says that the Skin and Smoot have a 4 million dollar difference on signing bounses. (not sure if this has been posted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Skins fans might want to start getting used to the idea of Smoot in another uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyholetsgogrant Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Poeple were talking ealry about how he is becomming injury prone, IMO i agree completely, hes been getting injuried alot as of late. But I understand skins fans will start to downgrade a player if their on the way out. Also, their are some good FA CB such as Ken Lucas and Andre Dyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 $4 million? That sounds like the hypothetical $10m versus $4m that people have been throwing around. Probably worth $10m, definately not worth $14m. No one will give him that much, I don't think, so we do have a bit of leverage here. The thing that worries me is he'll balk on $10m, but take $11-12m elsewhere when he realizes he can't get $14. We'll see what happens. I still think it'll work out somehow. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Like most everyone else on this board, I want Smoot re-signed. But not at the completely UNREASONABLE price he seems to want. And when I say "price", I just don't mean his contract demand. I also mean the price of having to let other contributrs on this team go if the Redskins gave him a near Champ Bailey size contract. Champ Bailey isn't worth the money Champ Bailey got. And niether is Smoot. Skins Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by heyholetsgogrant Poeple were talking ealry about how he is becomming injury prone, IMO i agree completely, hes been getting injuried alot as of late. But I understand skins fans will start to downgrade a player if their on the way out. Also, their are some good FA CB such as Ken Lucas and Andre Dyson. Smoot missed one game per season the last two years, I wouldn't call that injury prone! He has also played throught the pain. I love Smoot, he plays with heart and passion and has the type of attitude where when he gets beat, he makes him try harder BUT no player is bigger than the Redskins and Smoot should not be overpaid if it is going to cost us other players or set a higher bar for other guys. Antonio Pierce is more important than Smoot to this D and a more important guy to resign IMO although I would hate to see Smoot leave. Business is business though........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kappaluvacee Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Corners are not going to get the deals LAW & BAILEY received due to the league emphasis on illegal conduct. The day of the shutdown corner is over, and so is the shutdown corner payday. If Smoot wants to be a 'Skin he'll take the offer. If not he's free to go. He wants more money than Springs. He didn't play better than Springs so he needs to fallback or roll-out. If he's still communicating with Champ he should know how poorly Champ's season has gone. Everyone is starting to say the 'Skins got the better of the trade and week after week we see Champ stumbling or falling enroute to giving up a major gain for a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by kappaluvacee Corners are not going to get the deals LAW & BAILEY received due to the league emphasis on illegal conduct. The day of the shutdown corner is over, and so is the shutdown corner payday. If Smoot wants to be a 'Skin he'll take the offer. If not he's free to go. He wants more money than Springs. He didn't play better than Springs so he needs to fallback or roll-out. If he's still communicating with Champ he should know how poorly Champ's season has gone. Everyone is starting to say the 'Skins got the better of the trade and week after week we see Champ stumbling or falling enroute to giving up a major gain for a TD. If anything, the league emphasis on illegal contact is going to force teams to overpay more for defensive ends who can provide a pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisjan76 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsGuy Like most everyone else on this board, I want Smoot re-signed. But not at the completely UNREASONABLE price he seems to want. And when I say "price", I just don't mean his contract demand. I also mean the price of having to let other contributrs on this team go if the Redskins gave him a near Champ Bailey size contract. bro you hit the nail on the head. i don't blame Smoot on trying to get paid as much as he can get - afterall the NFL is still a business. i love the guy's heart and he's a leader on the field but it wouldn't be in the best interest of the redskins to pay him top dollar. better to spend the $ on a D lineman. constant pressure on the QB can make up for losing Smoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwills1 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Smoot is my boy...but bottom line- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwills1 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 if SMOOT WANTS TO BE A REDSKIN, HE'LL TAKE THE 2-4 MILLION PAY DIFFERENCE TO STAY IN D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by krisjan76 better to spend the $ on a D lineman. constant pressure on the QB can make up for losing Smoot. You are also correct, a good pass rush, or a great pass rush will make corners better then what they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I agree completely he's worth 10-12M but not 14M. Especially if it costs you more of the players on this D. I love that guy to death one of my favorite Redskins but you'd think he'd learn after the way they played without LaVar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I have always loved Smoot and his intensity/energy that he brings to the defense. I think he is turning into a very, very good corner (probably a top 10-12 corner in the NFL) ..... but w/the cap and all the FA's we have to resign... I dont want to overpay for him. He's deserves a big contract but I would rather another team pay it then us...unless we can work something out that is cap friendly and the front office is alright with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I've said it before: whatever difference there is in Smoot's desired signing bonus and the actual signing bonus offered by the Redskins, this difference should be paid by Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by ramseyskins I've said it before: whatever difference there is in Smoot's desired signing bonus and the actual signing bonus offered by the Redskins, this difference should be paid by Brunell. hahaha, agreed, one can dream cant they? Anyways, 4 million should not make a difference if you claim you want to remain a skin for life. Springs got 10 million, and I say he performed just as good as Smoot, if not better. I think we will have to get used to Smoot in a different uniform. I really am starting to dislike athletes who say they want to remain on a team forever, but then complain for an additional 4 million more. I gotta hand it to the Eagles FO for being able to sign their corners to modest deals, and their players for wanting to remain in Philly. Why would they want to remain there I dont quite understand, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisjan76 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by ramseyskins I've said it before: whatever difference there is in Smoot's desired signing bonus and the actual signing bonus offered by the Redskins, this difference should be paid by Brunell. ha! that would be HILARIOUS! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by kappaluvacee Corners are not going to get the deals LAW & BAILEY received due to the league emphasis on illegal conduct. The day of the shutdown corner is over, and so is the shutdown corner payday. If Smoot wants to be a 'Skin he'll take the offer. If not he's free to go. He wants more money than Springs. He didn't play better than Springs so he needs to fallback or roll-out. If he's still communicating with Champ he should know how poorly Champ's season has gone. Everyone is starting to say the 'Skins got the better of the trade and week after week we see Champ stumbling or falling enroute to giving up a major gain for a TD. I disagree with you about the value for CB's going down because of the new enforcement of the 'illegal contact" rules. If anything, the demand for good corners who have more than adequate cover skills are going to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 10 mil..14 mil... I just don't get it.. it's a top 3 defense to play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIL LAVAR Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I say we give him the money or something because it might be some good FA cb's but we dont need to make any major changes on D and that would be major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeySkin Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Smoot should get a bigger bonus than Springs. Smoot has paid his dues with the team and deserves to be paid. Just because we over pay for all these dam free agents and have no money to pay him is not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by MeNoRevs Skins fans might want to start getting used to the idea of Smoot in another uniform. Already canceled the idea of getting his jersey. Don't want to get my hopes up... at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealskin Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I am a smoot fan as well but anything over $11 million is too much. The only danger in letting smoot go is if something happens to springs next season. We would be stuck with (the exception of harris) an inexperienced secondary. However on defense i think the priority should be pierce and the d line. If we lose smoot go after a good pass rushing end. We should be able to get a second for gardner from either san diego or kc. Kc has had terrible luck drafting receivers (sylvester morris, snoop minus?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 i hate to say this guys but i think gibbs or snyders love for brunell might cause us to lose smoot. If we didnt have such a raging hardon for brunell we might have had the cap room to pay smoot the money he deserves. I just hope it doesnt cost us free agents that we would need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Today's athlete tends to hold a grudge. If we end up increasing the offer to $11 million and he balks and continues to search for $14 million and doesn't get it, what do you think he'll do if someone else offers him that same $11 million? It turns into a pride thing. He can't turn down $11 million here and then turn around and accept it because he "loses face". If he hits the open market, I think he's as good as gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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