#1 Topic Liberals never answer straight

[portisizzle]

Are you sick and tired of your resident liberals who ingnor fact and logic? Do they all write their responses just like the DNC sent them the talking points personally? Us conservative republicans know what is up, and it is time to call them on it.

Well, damn it, here is your chance to list your top topics that liberals never answer straight up!

Have fun boys!! edit , and girls!!

[Guest SkinsHokie Fan]

Ports I love ya but I think this is what the mods are talking about.

All this is gonna do is bring out hate rather then having a rational discussion.

[portisizzle]

What are the mods talking about??

[luckydevil]

lock this thread

[portisizzle]

Follow his rules and carry on.........

Recently, the staff have noticed a real decline in the quality and tone in Tailgate. In fact, there have been some strong arguments made that that forum be removed entirely. I argued against that, as I know a lot of folks enjoy the non-football discussion. I think something special about the site would be lost without a Tailgate forum.

Although we have all but pleaded with some here to 'tone it down', 'keep it civil' and to try and show at least a modicum of respect for diverse opinion, it seems to fall on deaf ears?

There've been a lot of recent comments about 'overly aggressive moderating', etc...but I think the reason you're seeing the active hand is because in previous years the members policed themselves. Rarely did a moderator have to step in, warn someone, close a thread, ban someone. That isn't happening much these days. So we're forced to do it ourselves. I know some of you think its some moderator 'power trip' and all about ego's. You're wrong. Its just about keeping the community feel that this place has ALWAYS been about, above all things.

Its really not that hard. If you wouldn't say it at the grocery store, in the workplace, to your neighbor....you probably ought to think twice before saying it here. We all get pissed off. When we do, its time to take a break, not post more. None of us is above that advice. I've taken it myself. So have other staff members. You should too.

I love the Tailgate. It can be a beautiful thing. It doesn't JUST have to be about politics, why one side or the other is evil. Its also supposed to be about humor, art, music, life experiences, storytelling, many other things. But for some reason most of that has been shouted down.

If it doesn't improve, or better, if those that post there a lot don't start policing it themselves, the next time it comes up, I'm changing my vote. And I'll argue strongly that we're better off blowing that forum up for good. And I'm not alone in that thought.

[Destino]

Will someone give this man his two cents back?

[eggitmon]

how bout "where are the weapons of mass destruction?" oh wait nobody can answer that haha

[portisizzle]

OK, I see. The MODS are having problems with the tone of current threads. Got it.

But don't ban me.:doh:

[Burgold]

Are you sick and tired of your resident liberals who ingnor fact and logic?

I can answer emphatically that I am sick and tired of the endless republican ingnoring. In fact, ingnoring is one of the principal conservative flaws.

The problem with this thread is that you gave us nothing to debate. No facts. No event. Just a wee bit of misspelled hate.

[portisizzle]

Yea Burgold, right, I can tell you that I now see the point exactly with Tarhog's post.

I only wish I would have read the topic before I started this thread.

You see, there is nothing I can say that will change your mind on politics. And there is nothing you can say that will change mine. So really this whole politics debate on this forum is for the birds. It always ends up with "your wrong, no your wrong, no your wrong". And escalates to personal attacks.

I think this is also a problem with our country in general when it comes to political debate. It really is sad.

I guess I should go back to debating how bad peanut butter on the roof of my mouth feels. (My attempt at humor.)

BTW, sorry for the timing of this thread. My intent was to have fun with this topic. As well as prove a point.

[SNEET]

I have a question I wonder why neocons never answer straight up...

Why is it that most of you vote against your own self-interests?

[SPare]

Eggitmon. Your answer is Syria and Iran. Not that it can be proven...

[rdsknbill]

Don't think that I choose to participate. Discussing politics is volatile enough without a thread with this title. :no:

[Ancalagon the Black]

I am tired of liberals who ignore fact and logic. And I am tired of conservatives who ignore fact and logic. And I am tired of Pharisees, but fortunately they've all been smitten by now. (I think.)

[The Sir]

I can't answer this for two reasons. One, I'm a Democrat. Two, I don't know what ignor means.

[TLusby]

My question to every democrat is, "What does a Democrat truely believe?" I can say that I believe in fiscal responsibility, protection of the constitution, a strong military, small government, fair tax act, and absolutely no government involvement in either healthcare, retirement, or any other financial responsibility of a U.S. citizen.

[carlsbadd]

It's hard to tell who's who anymore, most all of the politicians are the same no matter what they spout.

You see each side could have what they want it the d*ckheads stopped spending our tax dollars like there is a endless supply.

We could cut taxes and have better social programs if politicans weren't so busy cutting deals left and right.

"I'll sign your bill Mr. X if you give me a couple million for my district"

It's strange that Edwards ran most of his campain on how badly the Government is in the pocket of corporations, the same message that Nader is hammering. Of course, as soon as he gets with Kerry thats no longer his issue.

Now of course theres all this mess about Kerry and his service record, Who cares! He was there wasn't he?

Maybe if they focused on issues instead of crying like little brats people could have a idea of who to vote for. I guess that would be to simple now huh?

[Arioch]

Originally posted by portisbowwow

Follow his rules and carry on.........

Recently, the staff have noticed a real decline in the quality and tone in Tailgate. In fact, there have been some strong arguments made that that forum be removed entirely. I argued against that, as I know a lot of folks enjoy the non-football discussion. I think something special about the site would be lost without a Tailgate forum.

Although we have all but pleaded with some here to 'tone it down', 'keep it civil' and to try and show at least a modicum of respect for diverse opinion, it seems to fall on deaf ears?

There've been a lot of recent comments about 'overly aggressive moderating', etc...but I think the reason you're seeing the active hand is because in previous years the members policed themselves. Rarely did a moderator have to step in, warn someone, close a thread, ban someone. That isn't happening much these days. So we're forced to do it ourselves. I know some of you think its some moderator 'power trip' and all about ego's. You're wrong. Its just about keeping the community feel that this place has ALWAYS been about, above all things.

Its really not that hard. If you wouldn't say it at the grocery store, in the workplace, to your neighbor....you probably ought to think twice before saying it here. We all get pissed off. When we do, its time to take a break, not post more. None of us is above that advice. I've taken it myself. So have other staff members. You should too.

I love the Tailgate. It can be a beautiful thing. It doesn't JUST have to be about politics, why one side or the other is evil. Its also supposed to be about humor, art, music, life experiences, storytelling, many other things. But for some reason most of that has been shouted down.

If it doesn't improve, or better, if those that post there a lot don't start policing it themselves, the next time it comes up, I'm changing my vote. And I'll argue strongly that we're better off blowing that forum up for good. And I'm not alone in that thought.

Maybe one solution could be banning political discussions? I'm serious in this proposal. It does seem to be the most vehement topic

[Prosperity]

Henry will lock this thread in T minus 15 minutes

[SNEET]

Originally posted by TLusby

I can say that I believe in fiscal responsibility, protection of the constitution, a strong military, small government, fair tax act, and absolutely no government involvement in either healthcare, retirement, or any other financial responsibility of a U.S. citizen.

Then why in god's name would you vote for Bush?!?!?!?

let's see....

Fiscal Responsibility- You call half a trillion dollar deficit responsible? Or perhaps his tax cuts for the wealthy is responsible? Is it his steel tariffs fiasco that's responsible? Bush is the LEAST fiscally responsible president in a looong time.

Protection of Constitution- Bush seems to bend, twist, trash, and change the precious Constitution as he seems fit. You think an amendment to the Const. that simply appeases the Christian Coalitian's idea of marriage is "protection"? No, that's abuse. I won't even go into the Patriot Act that takes away personal liberties that you conservatives hold so dear, and the Constitution was written to assure. Bush fails again.

Strong Military- I know you will never believe this, probably because you get your "facts" from Rush Limbaugh or Foxnews, but it was Clinton's healthy and lethal military that Bush sent into Iraq. Clinton increased numbers of helicopters, smart bombs, and many other things that made Bush's adventure possible. I do find it odd though, that Rumsfeld decided not to send enough troops into Iraq, causing a lot of what we are seeing now. In general, our military is stretched thin all over the world thanks to Bush's Iraqi adventure. Many military officials have said that overall, we are the weakest we have been in decades. Should I get into Bush cutting veterans benefits or should we skip that part?

Small Government- I also know you will never believe this, but during the Clinton era, growth of government decreased, and since Bush has been in office, it has returned to previous growth numbers. Don't believe me? Look it up. Bush has failed you again.

Fair Tax Act- If you think it is fair that the upper 3% of this nation gets tax breaks, as well as corporations, while the middle class gets virtually no help and is decreasing at an alarming rate... then yea, Bush is your guy.

No Government Involvement- Let's look at some other industries where deregulation was a great idea... Farming; the small family farm is nearly extinct after crop price fixing was eliminated and a few megafarms like ADM now rule. Airlines; most every company operating in the red or declaring bankruptcy, and that was BEFORE 9/11. Healthcare; average premiums rising 40% over the last few years. I can keep going if you wish...

What you conservatives fail to understand is that those values you hold so highly is NOT what is wrong. The leader you have chosen to give you those ideals is what is wrong. It would be hard for even the staunchest Democrat to admit he doesn't want a strong military or fiscal responsibility. The problem you Republicans have is that you have someone in office who is failing at every task.

Get a new candidate.

[SNEET]

^^^ that shut 'em up.

:laugh: :laugh:

[Bang]

So, anyway, the other day I went into 7-11 and bought a half gallon of milk.

It was cold and fresh, and it tasted good on my cocoa puffs.

I also think that puppies are really cute.

La-dE-dAa

Dootdootdoobiedaboop..

~Bang

[CHUBAKAH]

I posted this on a forum that I run this morning. I think that is was quite well written, and when I read this thread I thought of it.

I do like the way Bang kin of ended it though. Gave me a chuckle anyway...

Tips to avoid partisan feuds in the workplace.

If you're like most corporate veterans, you can hold your own at the water cooler, whether the topic is sports, current events, or the hit HBO series of the moment. Unfortunately, though, in an election season in which passions are running hot, politics — the national kind — can overpower all other workplace conversations. And that can be hard on your office relationships, and perhaps hurt your career.

Social norms suggest that, even if you're Whoopi Goldberg, you should steer clear of politics and religion except with folks you know well. But as a practical matter, people trample all over this rule at work, especially in a tight Presidential race. In most offices, it's pretty easy to distinguish the Bushies from the Kerry-ites (from the Nader folks over in the corner). Sometimes, as with sports rivalries, the candidate banter stays good-natured. Sometimes not.

It's the latter situation that can have serious consequences — and that you need to avoid, or at least handle adroitly. One reason is that the current, polarized political climate creates an atmosphere where one bit of information — the knowledge that a co-worker supports one candidate or the other — can color his or her relationships with team members in unfortunate ways.

Don't ask, don't tell

For instance, if the entire office knows Joe supports Kerry and Tina supports Bush, that can create a set of (potentially false) impressions about both people. Heck, Joe must be a bleeding-heart, tax-and-spend liberal who would agitate for higher wages in the mailroom and letting the secretaries join a union. He probably doesn't even support our troops in Iraq. Who wants to work with a guy like that?

Likewise, Tina's support for Bush may load her down with weird baggage. Man, if I had known Tina was like that, I wouldn't have put her on our Minority Issues Taskforce — what do Republicans care about minorities?

Such generalizations aren't reasonable, of course. But they can spread in a flash — or not, if you resist the temptation to trumpet your political leanings. Should someone ask how you're voting, say: "I'm paying close attention to the campaign. Ask me after election day, and maybe I'll tell you then." Chances are, no one will believe that you're in the apparently tiny slice of the electorate that's still undecided. But how will they really know?

Just remember, if this sounds ridiculous, in very few scenarios will it help your career to make public your political preferences. And in plenty of scenarios it might hurt.

Mewling response

It isn't uncommon for corporate execs to subtly (or not) probe for the political proclivities of their staffs. Even if they don't ask subordinates outright to support a candidate — most managers ought to know that they can get in big trouble for that — they may begin to allow political opinions to influence their view of you: Your manager may make judgments about your character, your savvy, or even your patriotism, based on which politicians you support.

Don't believe it? Well, I hear from people in corporate settings quite often who are asked their views of candidates or their opinions on a campaign issue, and feel that they're being tested. What if you say the wrong thing? What if you cave, say what the boss wants to hear, and hate yourself afterward? How do you navigate those waters?

Here's my advice. Keep handy a set of safe — but not mealy-mouthed — responses, plus a "don't go there" rejoinder that you can use to back out of the topic.

I wish I had been ready a dozen years ago, when my CEO burst into my office in the middle of a rant about the first Gulf War, and challenged me to respond. "Of course I hate to see us at war," I mewled, "but thank goodness it has gone so well and so quickly." Blecccch.

Closed lips

Here's how you might react were you better prepared. Your boss, an in-your-face Democrat, asks: "Don't you think it's absurd that we would go to war on false premises?" You say: "I'm more concerned that since we're there, we manage the situation the best we can, get the country on its feet, and get our troops home. But you know what? I'm trying really hard this year to keep my mind open and my mouth shut. Do you want to go over that vendor performance analysis?"

This isn't kow-towing, and it isn't insubordination, either. You're essentially asking your boss to view your political opinions as he or she would your religious beliefs (let's hope!) — with respect and tolerance, including understanding for your desire to keep your feelings on the topic to yourself.

With a little forethought, you can be ready for nearly any political question — and calmly count the days until November. At least after Election Day, you'll have to listen to only one set of rants — from the losing side. :40oz:

[BG]

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