Cskin Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Guys... i post this more because of it's style and humor than anything else. Feel free to debate all the same.... http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/alt/04/creed.html By Robert Alt ****************** We believe in the United Nations, and Kofi Annan, the maker of international legitimacy. We believe that the UN inspections worked. We believe that SCUD missiles fired at U.S. troops minutes after the war began don’t change anything; We believe that 3 liters of sarin gas used against U.S. troops doesn’t change anything; We believe that finding evidence of mustard gas doesn’t change anything. We believe that the war in Iraq conducted by a Republican president was unjustified because it lacked UN approval; We believe that the "military action" in Kosovo conducted by a Democratic president was justified without UN approval. We believe that the Iraq war was unilateral. We believe that the participation of Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Thailand, United Kingdom, and Ukraine does not change the fact that the war was unilateral; We believe that multilateralism can only be achieved with the participation of France and Germany; We believe in multilateralism. We believe that this war was motivated by greed and oil; We believe that when France, Germany, and Russia opposed the war, they were motivated by principle, and not by sweetheart oil deals or Oil-For-Food kickbacks; We believe that US oil prices are too high, and that the administration failed in its responsibility to do something about it. We believe that the U.S. may only legitimately use force for humanitarian ends in one place if it does so in all places where aid might be needed; We believe that the U.S. may not quell threats in places where the cost is relatively low unless it is willing to use force in places like North Korea, where the cost in lives would likely be very high; We believe that a humanitarian action is only truly humanitarian if there are no strategic interests to muddle the altruism. We believe that President Bush lied. We believe that Prime Minister Blair lied. We believe that when Hillary Clinton and Dick Gephardt voted for the war based on the same intelligence relied upon by Bush and Blair, they made reasonable decisions based on the intelligence available at the time. We believe that the administration did not make the case for war; We believe that the administration offered many different reasons but could not offer a coherent message explaining the need to go to war; We believe that the administration made perfectly clear that the only reason we were going to war was because of the threat from WMDs. We believe that there were no WMDs. We believe that finding sarin gas is 14th page news; We believe that if the sarin gas is old, then it really isn’t a WMD we were looking for; We believe that it wasn’t really sarin gas; We believe that sarin gas isn’t necessarily a WMD. We believe that there was no terrorist connection to, or threat from, Iraq. We believe that members of Abu Nidal in Iraq would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded; We believe that al Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded; We believe that Saddam’s terrorist training camp at Salman Pak—complete with a Boeing 707 plane used for hijacking drills—did not exist or posed no real threat; We believe that it was merely a coincidence that the pharmaceutical factory bombed by President Clinton in Sudan was using al Qaeda funds and a uniquely Iraqi formula to produce VX gas; We believe that we are responsible for bringing terror on ourselves. We believe that the prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib is widespread and is probably the tip of the iceberg; We believe that Abu Ghraib proves that the America’s occupation is no different than Saddam’s tyranny; We believe that any attempt to suggest that there is a moral difference between a regime which systematically killed 300,000 people and tortured countless others and a regime which punished the acts of Abu Ghraib is illegitimate. We believe that soldiers deliberately target women and children; We believe that the soldiers abuse and kill Iraqis because they are racists; We support our troops. We believe that no one should question our statement that we "support our troops;" We believe that the best thing that could happen for this country would be for Bush to lose in November; We believe that the best way for Bush to lose in November is for the Iraq effort to go poorly, even if that means that more Iraqis and troops will die; We believe that most of the troops are minorities and the poor; We believe that when the word "heroes" is used to describe our troops, it should always be enclosed in scare quotes. We believe in quagmire. We believe that when fringe Iraqi groups attack hard targets and are soundly defeated with relatively low Coalition casualties, that this is inescapable evidence of crisis; We believe that Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam. We believe that Vietnam is the lens through which all wars should be viewed. We believe that soldiers in Vietnam were baby killers; We believe that John Kerry is a hero for his service in Vietnam. We believe that because John Kerry is a hero, he necessarily has the national security expertise necessary to be commander-in-chief. We believe that any attempt to question his national security expertise based on his voting record, including his decision to vote against a supplemental bill used to buy the soldiers body armor, is an unfair attack on the patriotism of a hero, who by virtue of this honorific has the expertise to be commander-in-chief. We believe in the trinity: NPR, CNN, and the New York Times. We believe in Ted Kennedy, Tom Harkin, John Kerry, and all the DNC, and we look for President Clinton yet to come. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Beautiful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Originally posted by Thiebear :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Beautiful.... Agreed, this is poetry. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 "and the skies opened up and a beautiful light shown through, enligthening the huddled.... sweaty unwashed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 I find it funny some of you have to lie to yourselves about what liberals think in order to feel right. Go back to finger painting on the cave walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phanatic Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 "I actually voted for the 86 billion before I voted against it". And moveon.org blasting their rhetoric on talk radio programming about how Rummy shoud resign and how he sent troops to Iraq without body armor or armor for the humvee's. Amazing. Note to moveon.org. Wasting your money on Conservative talk radio time is not a good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino I find it funny some of you have to lie to yourselves about what liberals think in order to feel right. Go back to finger painting on the cave walls. Cskin wrote at the top of this thread: "Guys... i post this more because of it's style and humor than anything else. Feel free to debate all the same...." Not one of the conservative replies said one thing to the low-blow level of "Go back to finger painting on the cave walls." All we did, and rather humorously, was give thanks to somebody for speaking the truth. It looks like he must have hit it pretty close to home to get you this pissed. Cavemen, OH I get it, that means we are backwards thinkers right, who refuse to become enlightened to the liberal way of thinking, right? PLEASE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 G-Train, Destino is just more enlightened than the rest of us. You can tell by his articulate and well-substantiated responses. :laugh: Now get back to yer cave. Ughhh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by chiefhogskin48 G-Train, Destino is just more enlightened than the rest of us. You can tell by his articulate and well-substantiated responses. :laugh: Now get back to yer cave. Ughhh!!! Don't worry, I'm getting back, I'm getting back......ooga booga, ooga, oooga, oooga booga!( add a nice scratching of the armpit)! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Back to work. I enjoy this side of you far more then the side that spends all day swatting at a liberal boogyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino Back to work. I enjoy this side of you far more then the side that spends all day swatting at a liberal boogyman. Dang, your a funny guy. I had no idea, how funny you were. Instead of stereo-typing everybody that disagrees with you as "Cavemen" why don't you actually attack the article above, and show that the writer is actually WRONG about what he says. Then I will entertain your thoughts. So far you've done nothing of the sort, except to get angry, post stupid pictures, and make broadly applicable insults to anybody who disagrees with you. The "bigot" comment to phantic in the other thread, was totally out of line, and so is this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train Dang, your a funny guy. I had no idea, how funny you were. Instead of stereo-typing everybody that disagrees with you as "Cavemen" why don't you actually attack the article above, and show that the writer is actually WRONG about what he says. Then I will entertain your thoughts. So far you've done nothing of the sort, except to get angry, post stupid pictures, and make broadly applicable insults to anybody who disagrees with you. The "bigot" comment to phantic in the other thread, was totally out of line, and so is this picture. You sir have no idea what Irony means do you? To take issue with stereotyping while applauding the very same behavior in the very same thread. Pot. Kettle. Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino You sir have no idea what Irony means do you? To take issue with stereotyping while applauding the very same behavior in the very same thread. Pot. Kettle. Black. Show me where the article called Liberals "Cavemen," or some insulting thing like that. Why, still, have you not attacked the root of this thread, THE ARTICLE? As far as the article, I still say the writer must have hit it pretty close to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train Show me where the article called Liberals "Cavemen," or some insulting thing like that. Why, still, have you not attacked the root of this thread, THE ARTICLE? As far as the article, I still say the writer must have hit it pretty close to home. It's not an article. It's a humor piece, and it's pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Humor? In Tailgate? We don't allow that here. :security: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black It's not an article. It's a humor piece, and it's pretty funny. Fine....... it's not an article, it's a humor piece. Then why did Destino get so peaved? Apparently, he didn't find it very funny. He called us "cavemen." :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Destino I find it funny some of you have to lie to yourselves about what liberals think in order to feel right. Go back to finger painting on the cave walls. See what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 that little humor piece was funny, as long as you know and realize it is a huge exaggeration and satire on liberals. If you think it is an accurate portrayal, then you have problems. In all seriousness though, any loyalty to a "political party" is pretty sad and pathetic. And that is whether it is on the left or the right. Affiliation to a political party is like signing up not to think anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by NoCalMike that little humor piece was funny, as long as you know and realize it is a huge exaggeration and satire on liberals. If you think it is an accurate portrayal, then you have problems. In all seriousness though, any loyalty to a "political party" is pretty sad and pathetic. And that is whether it is on the left or the right. Affiliation to a political party is like signing up not to think anymore. I think it's funny much in the way that Chris Rock's humor is brutally funny. "huge exaggeration and satire" I don't know about HUGE. I'm still waiting for somebody to attack this humor piece, and show that this is not in fact, how liberals think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train I think it's funny much in the way that Chris Rock's humor is brutally funny. "huge exaggeration and satire" I don't know about HUGE. I'm still waiting for somebody to attack this humor piece, and show that this is not in fact, how liberals think. If you need demonstration of that fact, then you're probably beyond being convinced no matter how cogent our reasoning would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train I think it's funny much in the way that Chris Rock's humor is brutally funny. "huge exaggeration and satire" I don't know about HUGE. I'm still waiting for somebody to attack this humor piece, and show that this is not in fact, how liberals think. They know what they believe, don't confuse them with the truth! Men, is there room in that cave for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Ancalagon the Black If you need demonstration of that fact, then you're probably beyond being convinced no matter how cogent our reasoning would be. of course I'm beyond cogent reasoning.... I'm a Caveman remember. (ooga booga?) ...and yeah offlis, there is always room in the cave for one more We are having one hell of a party in the cave, and your invited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train of course I'm beyond cogent reasoning.... I'm a Caveman remember. (ooga booga?) ...and yeah offlis, there is always room in the cave for one more We are having one hell of a party in the cave, and your invited I am there!:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Pssst... Although not as detailed and/or to the point... Destino's is just as funny as it brings in the artistic view and has a texture to it ... Besides I like finger painting and have never done the whole spelunking(sp) thing before so "why not".... Lighten up people, well thought ideas and zingers are worthy of praise... its the individual personal attack that you should be stoned for....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by G-Train Show me where the article called Liberals "Cavemen," or some insulting thing like that. Why, still, have you not attacked the root of this thread, THE ARTICLE? As far as the article, I still say the writer must have hit it pretty close to home. I'm going to assume you were tired when you wrote that. Please tell me you aren't actually saying that for me to call you a caveman then the "article" must have first called me a caveman. That's so absurd a point to make that it's like something you'd see on SNL. Also you keep acting as if I am so so so angry, I called you a caveman and posted a pic of "the moose is out there" for f*cks sake. Do you honestly think when I get upset I call people cavemen and post funny pictures? I mean, give me some credit dude, I know as many four letter words as you do. If I get angry you'll know it. My point was that I too can take a swing at the stereotypical politcal persona. Liberal are stereotyped as bleeding hearts siding with the enemy, so in response I dragged out the old conservative "caveman" who had you not gotten so angry would have been followed by various sloped forehead and knuckle dragging references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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