SEF Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Thats a true statement. Nowhere does it say I thought it was easy. Riiiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 I'm sure there's a lot of Purple Hearts from 30 years ago that could be contested - it's not like anyone was incredibly happy about being over there. What I'm amazed about is that this is what is stuck in the headlines day to day when Kerry also won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star while he was over there. It's not like he showed up, lied about 3 Purple Hearts, and got the heck out of there without firing a shot, but that's the impression I get from the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 That's the impression in the media because Kerry hasnt stood firm on what he has said. His story keeps changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 As a former Contributing Editor to National Review Online - I say it's one hell of a reputable source, and exists today as a political magazine that is second to none. It's definitely more reputable than the most prominent liberal political magazine, The New Republic (see Stephen Glass and Ruth Shalit). That said, I don't much care about this issue. I think John Kerry deserves respect for serving in Vietnam and having the balls to volunteer, no matter whether he had political motivations in doing so, or did something stupid while over there in trying to get a purple heart. Definitely a step up from Bill Clinton in terms of his approach to Vietnam - one cannot deny that. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Star Skin Fan Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 shameful. Yeah, that is really believable. It's amazing how this is even an issue. An obvious draft dodger vs. medal winner. You would think the Bush people would avoid this issue. I wish the debates would come already. I want to hear what they say on the real issues instead of one side trying to destroy the integrity of the other. A lying dishonest secretive administration calling someone a flip-flopper is hilarious in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by Kilmer17 hmmmmm. my thoughts? IT WAS 30 FU@#ING YEARS AGO!!!! Conservatives on this board should listen to Kilmer. No matter how bad Kerry did in Vietnam, he went and questioning one purple heart out of three isn't going to change the fact Bush has still been unable to account for the time in question. Although it was slick of him to release all kinds of info proving he was there....during the time NOT in question. Leave the issue alone folks, the GOP has the military issue on lock, that won't change unless you open the door and let the democrats in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thew Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Let's just review here for a second... #1 Kerry Volenteered to go to Vietnam when most young men of privledge were using influence to get out of the war. ( George, Dick )... #2 Kerry Volenteered to go back to vietnam after his first term was over. #3 You don't request medals they are awarded. #4 Even if one of his purple hearts was a slight wound so what. I mean you get those things for having bullets or shrapmedal removed from your body. Think of that.. Dude was wounded three different times and they're questioning one? I don't understand the point? #5 If you figure in that Kerry not only recieved three purple hearts but a bronze star and a silver star for the actions even a really stupid person could reason that this wasn't a point to attack in his resume. I mean not when George who was a self discribed drunk at the time choose not to serve in the army. Dick didn't even serve in the reserves but said "I had better things to do?" There is so much to pick on Kerry about. Why would you choose his military record when the dude obviously did his duty very bravely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Sad if he scammed a Purple Heart for that. I've probably taken dumps that hurt more. Maybe I should've let them put me in for one in Afganistan for my busted arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnyperson1 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Why can't we stop arguing about this **** when we could be focusing on actual issues to see who will be the better president. Do I buy Kerry as a war Hero? No. Did he do his duty more so than others? Yes. The point is moot. In an election all about mud slinging, this is just another mudball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by Ignatius J. If Kerry's wounds did not merit a purple heart than go after the guy who awarded them to him. Last time I checked, you can't just ask for a purple heart and get one. -DB My understanding of what type of wound qualifies a solider for a puple heart is that if it draws blood. That's it nothing more. Now let me say I have never been in the service and that my understanding come from reading news articles. That's it nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEF Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 From AR 600-8-22 http://www.purpleheart.org/Awd_of_PH.htm (2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by Sarge Sad if he scammed a Purple Heart for that. I've probably taken dumps that hurt more. Maybe I should've let them put me in for one in Afganistan for my busted arm Sarge, anything you say from now on has no merit. The fact that you are in the military, and you are dumping on someone who has 1. Voulenteered for combat duty. 2. Been injured in combat. 3. Been awarded the purple heart three times. shows you have no credibility. You recklessly defend somebody who did whatever he could NOT to go to war, caused other less fortunate Americans to be drafted and forced into going to Vietnam, because they did not have as a privilaged life: and then on top of it all, the silver spoon fed dolt fails to show up for his duty to serve!!! This shows where you really stand. You are a hypocrite to the N'th degree. Now, anytime I hear you coming down on somebody for their beliefs about war, I'll repost this thread, just to remind everyone what you truly are. A hypocrite with an axe to grind against a war hero because he's running against your rump swab:doh: If you would have stayed out of a few of these threads and not added your $.02, I would have had a lot more respect for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by funnyperson1 Why can't we stop arguing about this **** when we could be focusing on actual issues to see who will be the better president. Because the current Administration doesn't have anything to run on. Economy Health Care Education Terrorism War in Iraq Jobs Forign Policy Immigration Partisain Leadership Budget Deficit In all the platforms listed above, Bush has been an absolute failure. He has nothing to run on, except for the mud slinging, it's his only chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Kerry went to war while dubya was off doing coke somewhere. I see a distinct difference. While Kerry may not have been too severly injured for his first purple heart, he did recieve several others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by chomerics Sarge, anything you say from now on has no merit. The fact that you are in the military, and you are dumping on someone who has 1. Voulenteered for combat duty. 2. Been injured in combat. 3. Been awarded the purple heart three times. shows you have no credibility. You recklessly defend somebody who did whatever he could NOT to go to war, caused other less fortunate Americans to be drafted and forced into going to Vietnam, because they did not have as a privilaged life: and then on top of it all, the silver spoon fed dolt fails to show up for his duty to serve!!! This shows where you really stand. You are a hypocrite to the N'th degree. Now, anytime I hear you coming down on somebody for their beliefs about war, I'll repost this thread, just to remind everyone what you truly are. A hypocrite with an axe to grind against a war hero because he's running against your rump swab:doh: If you would have stayed out of a few of these threads and not added your $.02, I would have had a lot more respect for you. You don't know how shattering it is that I have lost your respect, with all the many years of military service you have. Why don't you search some posts of mine chucklehead, and see if I have ever bashed Kerry for being in Vietnam. Good luck because you won't find it. All I said is that if he got a Purple Heart for a sliver of metal that was removed with tweezers and covered with a Band-aid, that that is sad. And I have never "recklessly" defended Klinton anywhere. So blow me a$$wipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by Sarge You don't know how shattering it is that I have lost your respect, with all the many years of military service you have. Why don't you search some posts of mine chucklehead, and see if I have ever bashed Kerry for being in Vietnam. Good luck because you won't find it. All I said is that if he got a Purple Heart for a sliver of metal that was removed with tweezers and covered with a Band-aid, that that is sad. And I have never "recklessly" defended Klinton anywhere. So blow me a$$wipe Oh, I'm sorry Sarge, jumping in on the bandwagon and poking fun at Kerry's medals isn't bashing him??? Gee, funny how I don't hear you pissing all over other servicemen who served and were injured, only Kerry. But, you neglect to verify that GWB dodged Vietnam because of who his father was, then he went AWOL for a few months (actually he deserted the Guard if you want to get technical) and you defend him to a T. No, you're not hypocritical, instead of refuting allegations, which are true, you try to blame Clinton. Your old tactic, if you can't win the argument, it's Clinton's fault. Christ, Clinton probably gave Bush the drugs that stopped him from taking his medical exam in the first place, so it WAS Clinton's fault, huh. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soliloquy Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by BD That said, I don't much care about this issue. I think John Kerry deserves respect for serving in Vietnam and having the balls to volunteer, no matter whether he had political motivations in doing so, or did something stupid while over there in trying to get a purple heart. Definitely a step up from Bill Clinton in terms of his approach to Vietnam - one cannot deny that. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Originally posted by chomerics Oh, I'm sorry Sarge, jumping in on the bandwagon and poking fun at Kerry's medals isn't bashing him??? Gee, funny how I don't hear you pissing all over other servicemen who served and were injured, only Kerry. But, you neglect to verify that GWB dodged Vietnam because of who his father was, then he went AWOL for a few months (actually he deserted the Guard if you want to get technical) and you defend him to a T. No, you're not hypocritical, instead of refuting allegations, which are true, you try to blame Clinton. Your old tactic, if you can't win the argument, it's Clinton's fault. Christ, Clinton probably gave Bush the drugs that stopped him from taking his medical exam in the first place, so it WAS Clinton's fault, huh. :doh: You know why I make "fun" of this particular medal? Because I can. Because unlike you, I have been in combat and been shot at. Because I was offered a Purple Heart in Afganistan but turned it down. In fact, my exact words were, "Save it for someone that gets shot". I did take my CO up on the Bronze Star though. It's unfortunate that in your shrill defense of Kerry that you can't seem to stay on topic, which I believe says he "self inflicted a wound" No one will ever know for certain, but if it was covered by a Band Aid, that's pretty lame. It also lends credibility to the claim that he was there to pad his resume and pretty much only wanted "showtime" for whatever agenda he had. I can understand that you becoming alarmed because someone who has been in the military for 19 years chimes in and laughs at Kerry getting a Purple Heart for a scratch. It probably hurts when someone who knows more than you about a subject sets you straight in a public forum. But when you continue to post some of the crap you do as fact, someone's gonna call you on it And I was hoping you'd be smart enough to see how I turned your own words about Bush You recklessly defend somebody who did whatever he could NOT to go to war, caused other less fortunate Americans to be drafted and forced into going to Vietnam, because they did not have as a privilaged life: to fit Klinton, but I guess you're not. At least Bush wasn't in Moscow protesting the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Originally posted by Sarge You know why I make "fun" of this particular medal? Because I can. Because unlike you, I have been in combat and been shot at. Because I was offered a Purple Heart in Afganistan but turned it down. In fact, my exact words were, "Save it for someone that gets shot". I did take my CO up on the Bronze Star though. It's unfortunate that in your shrill defense of Kerry that you can't seem to stay on topic, which I believe says he "self inflicted a wound" No one will ever know for certain, but if it was covered by a Band Aid, that's pretty lame. It also lends credibility to the claim that he was there to pad his resume and pretty much only wanted "showtime" for whatever agenda he had. I can understand that you becoming alarmed because someone who has been in the military for 19 years chimes in and laughs at Kerry getting a Purple Heart for a scratch. It probably hurts when someone who knows more than you about a subject sets you straight in a public forum. But when you continue to post some of the crap you do as fact, someone's gonna call you on it And I was hoping you'd be smart enough to see how I turned your own words about Bush to fit Klinton, but I guess you're not. At least Bush wasn't in Moscow protesting the war I never brought up your service, just your hypocritical stance for sticking up for Bush and putting down Kerry when he went to war. Again, you throw the blame at Clinton, instead of taking about the issues. We'll never agree on Clinton, I really don't care, but I still haven't heard you give a good explination as to why you would support a deserter and attack a veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 :gus: Again..............one more time for the terminally slow. I have never bashed Kerry or Bush's service. It is a non issue to me, but only to a point where Kerry quits bringing it up. The only thing I have said is that if he got a medal for an "injury" that was taken care of with a pair of tweezers and a Band Aid, that that was lame. Trust me, Kerry has enough issues to bash without having to go back almost 40 years. AS fo Klinton, you do realize that some less fortunate AMerican went in his place, right? His name may even be on that wall on the mall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens777 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Originally posted by funnyperson1 Why can't we stop arguing about this **** when we could be focusing on actual issues to see who will be the better president. Do I buy Kerry as a war Hero? No. Did he do his duty more so than others? Yes. The point is moot. In an election all about mud slinging, this is just another mudball. Great post! I too don’t think Kerry is a Great War hero but he did serve his country and with that in mind we all need to tip our hat to all that serve the US. The second point of your post should scream loudly to both candidates, lets have some debates and could they both leave the mud home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 I also think going over there is enought to qualify: But the bandaid thing is totally worth making fun of: Especially since Kerry Wont stop talking about it. If he himself and his workers and hiw website were not claiming things that are easy to prove false then this would be a non-issue. BUT when the candidate himself keeps bringing it up YOU can not keep saying to stop talking about it: ITS 30 years ago STFU.. Bush Never even went over there so Kerry is good... I'll stop pointing to the facts if He stops pointing to a LIE.. Good enough for you? IF Kerry's website says "We were in a firefight in January and he wasnt am I allowed to point out the previous commander saying "NO, that was me!"? SO yes lets talk about the issues: One of the issues is the fact 1/8th of the campaing from Kerry is that he was in vietnam, he was injured, he came back and said he saw atrocities, and he threw his medals/ribbons away and then put them back on.... The others are: IRAQ / UN - stay the course, turn over to the UN almost the same. Jobs - he proposed 10 million more, jobs are comming back slowly. Economy- must be doing better if Greenie is going to raise interest rates.. Taxes - up the income tax rate on the wealthy but nothing on Capital gains which is 80% of Kerrys income... Education - The government is way too involved.. Sen Kennedy wrote Bushes Education bill... Health Care - Bush spent waaaay too much Abortion - Not sure where Kerry stands... he's on both sides... edit: OHHH and Sarg can say what he wants because he has been there You can say what you want because people like Tillman and Kerry and The current guardman/Army/Navy/Marines are fighting for you. And there are civilians every day helping the families of the troops that are fighting for us to talk about this... This is not just a military thing.. If the bosses and AER and Red Cross and the lil ole lady down the street didnt watch the kids or bring a pie this couldnt be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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