Commander Adama Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 I was just looking over ESPN Insider and the following made sense to me: With running back as its top priority, New England has reportedly set it's sights on Oregon State RB Steven Jackson. However, we hear that the Lions also covet Jackson, and since Detriot picks sixth overall and New Englan'd first pick is at No. 21, the Patriots will have to move into the top five to get their man. The Pats have the means to do just that, with two first round picks, two second-rounders, a third and two fourths. This article can be found here: http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=1769167 I am salivating at what this could mean! If New England trades their two first-rounders a second-rounder, we could possible turn around and trade one of the first-rounders and maybe a round or two next year to move up to around twelve and possibly still get Udeze, along with having another late first-rounder and the second-rounder! Well, one can only hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Sassy Molassy Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 :drool: This could be exactly what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 we should trade down with Cleveland to #7 ( and their 2nd) so they can get Gallery and then trade #7 down with NE for both of their 1st's - Jackson will still be there at 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by jimster we should trade down with Cleveland to #7 ( and their 2nd) so they can get Gallery and then trade #7 down with NE for both of their 1st's - Jackson will still be there at 7 Plus trading Gardner for a 2nd all of a sudden gives us two #1's and two #2's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by jimster we should trade down with Cleveland to #7 ( and their 2nd) so they can get Gallery and then trade #7 down with NE for both of their 1st's - Jackson will still be there at 7 Honestly, I can't wait for the draft!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 is Jackson really the guy you trade all the way up to #5 to acquire if you are NE? If the Pats move up to #5, what is the compensation going to be? The two #1's plus a #3? The two #1's plus a #2? A #1 this year, a #2 this year and a #1 next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 No matter what happens, #5 or #6, thats still way too high for S. Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 The 5 pick is way too high for Jackson. He'll be available in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by bulldog is Jackson really the guy you trade all the way up to #5 to acquire if you are NE? If the Pats move up to #5, what is the compensation going to be? The two #1's plus a #3? The two #1's plus a #2? A #1 this year, a #2 this year and a #1 next year? they want to beat the Lions to this guy, I think #1's and a #2 would be acceptable. That's some serious depth all the sudden. We could use all 3 on DL and get 1 or 2 starters right away. make them take Trotter also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The X-Factor Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Well that's the biggest hole for the Patriots right now. They don't want to risk losing him to another team. They are in a position to do this and I'm all for it it it helps us acquire more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofluid Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by jimster we should trade down with Cleveland to #7 ( and their 2nd) so they can get Gallery and then trade #7 down with NE for both of their 1st's - Jackson will still be there at 7 You think Gallery makes it to the 5 pick? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by bofluid You think Gallery makes it to the 5 pick? I don't. from what we're hearing San Diego and Giants taking QB's and Oakland and Arizona WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Gallery is definitely snatched with the top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 how about both their #1's and one of their #2's? could we get away with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 No. The best we could probably hope for is both of their #1s and a #3. But probably only one of their #1s. They're not stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 I disagree. You don't move down from #5 to #21 and only receive a #3 pick In past drafts I have seen teams give up a #3 for moving up two or three spots :laugh: No, the trade would have to include either both of the #1 picks or a combination of #1 and #2 selections either in 2004 and/or 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 i dunno about you all, but I dont really like the idea of trading away next years draft picks. As it is we've already lost our #5 next year, and i certainly would like to have our 1, 2, and #3 picks for once again. Im all for trading our pick this year if the Pats give up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 ahhhh the possibilities! I wouldn't use them on all D lineman though...maybe two of the 3 on lineman(DT,DE) though if it worked out that way. and still get a TE of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by jimster how about both their #1's and one of their #2's? could we get away with that? Well, they really need a RB and they're moving all the way to #5, so I think it could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 According to the Draft Pick Value Chart both of NE's #1s and a #2 is fairly reasonable (#5 = 1800 points, #21+#32+#64 = 1850), and I say we jump on it. Take a couple defensive lineman and a tight end or safety... with those three picks we would have a lot of options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Every time we talk the trade down scenarios we have to pull out the draft pick value chart. I know it's not exactly precise but it'll give you an idea of how teams generally value picks. draft pick value chart By looking at the chart you could see that NE's 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder is perfectly reasonable to trade up to #5. Still I think the best value will come on draft day. People have to see if their guy is there before giving up the picks to get there. Our objective is to have as many must have players do great in their workouts so someone is going to be willing to overpay to get at our #5 pick. Right now the player that looks like circumstances could put him available at #5 who would be most coveted is Gallery - IF SD, NYG, OAK, and PHO take 2 qb's and 2 wr's. Taking a rb (like Jackson) at #5 or #6 is as much against conventional wisdom as taking a S or TE at that spot. With at least 3 of the 4 teams picking ahead of us talking the possibility of trading up or down, a team would be pretty reckless to trade for our #5 withou knowing what's going to happen ahead of them on draft day. In the end I believe we will trade down, but not until we're on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by thinker Every time we talk the trade down scenarios we have to pull out the draft pick value chart. I know it's not exactly precise but it'll give you an idea of how teams generally value picks. draft pick value chart By looking at the chart you could see that NE's 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder is perfectly reasonable to trade up to #5. Still I think the best value will come on draft day. People have to see if their guy is there before giving up the picks to get there. Our objective is to have as many must have players do great in their workouts so someone is going to be willing to overpay to get at our #5 pick. Right now the player that looks like circumstances could put him available at #5 who would be most coveted is Gallery - IF SD, NYG, OAK, and PHO take 2 qb's and 2 wr's. Taking a rb (like Jackson) at #5 or #6 is as much against conventional wisdom as taking a S or TE at that spot. With at least 3 of the 4 teams picking ahead of us talking the possibility of trading up or down, a team would be pretty reckless to trade for our #5 withou knowing what's going to happen ahead of them on draft day. In the end I believe we will trade down, but not until we're on the clock. I always enjoy your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE skinsmaniac Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 With our salarycap situation can we couldn't afford two first rounders anyway, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 We still have some very nice choices right where we are. If New England wants that pick they are going to have to pay for it. :deal: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by DE skinsmaniac With our salarycap situation can we couldn't afford two first rounders anyway, right? Depends on where the picks land.. at 21 and 32, they are fairly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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