3DaysLatr Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Does anyone here deny that Ramsey more than struggled last season in the face of undisguised blitzes? There were occasions where opposing D.C.s put 8 of their defenders right on the line and Pat was simply overwhelmed. Recievers not adjusting and garbage schemes are absolutely at fault as well but will a D.C. even do that to a seasoned vet that can beat the blitz for seven? Will time holding a clip board and watching from the sidelines really hurt Ramsey? I don't think so, I say that he will learn a great deal from relaying in the plays. Nomenclature, seeing what Brunnel does in certain situations and time in the film room with knowledgeable coaches and a real NFL starting QB (not a shot at Ramsey, a shot at Mathews, Wuerfull and R. Johnson) will make him accell the next time he gears up under center. I really think that Ramsey will explode as a result of all this, what does everyone else think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsbadd Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 You are assuming that Ramsey does not win the starters position. I would wait untill that is decided before awarding him the clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I agree, I expect Brunell to win the job in august, Ramsey will learn from him, and at sometime during the season, Ramsey will get in, likely due to injury and will procede to light up the scoreboards and take over the starting job from that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I doubt anyone here (Ramsey supporter or not) would have any problem with pr11fan's scenario! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Ramsey hasn't learned how to read defenses because he had a clown for a coach. He'll be fine once he learns when to get rid of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorditoShawn Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I believe Ramsey has more talent than most of the the quaterbacks under Gibb's tenure (I would say he was more talented then all of them with the exception of Theisman). I think that given a education by Gibbs, Burns, and Brunell, that Patrick will spend many years taking a trip to Honolulu at the end of the season. Should be fun to watch. I really just hope that Ramsey understands that he is still young and has a lot to learn and also that because he is benched for one year does not mean that his chances to become a premier QB in the league are diminished but rather this situation is only going to help him in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 I agree with what pr11fan says. From what we know of Ramsey now, he doesn't seem to have too much pride. That is the best thing for him right now. If he does end up being a back-up, without his pride in the way, he will learn a TREMENDOUS amount this season. But, Brunell WILL NOT start EVERY game this season, and it is even MORE certain that he won't be taking EVERY single snap. If Ramsey learns as much as we think he will from watching a few games, our opponents will be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwo40 Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 There were defintely times when Ramsey held the ball too long...a testament to his youth and his courage. These are the things that have to be worked out by playing....and I have confidence that with enough starts in a stable offense he will correct this problem. Maybe this was one of the key factors in Gibbs pushing for the veteran QB, there were obviously parts of Ramsey's game he was not comfortable with when he looked at the game films. If so, than this means that Gibbs is not only aware of the problem....but also has helping Patrick fix it high ion his priority list. That's a comforting thought to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Ramsey on the sidelines for awhile will only help if he doesnt beat out brunnell. Then next year or so when he secures the starting spot and a new redskins for life contract he will be a perrennial probowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinsnumber1fan1971 Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 ramsey will bet out brunell i dont see way they gave hime that big contrat he lost alot in the last couple of years and he cant say healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 "I believe Ramsey has more talent than most of the the quaterbacks under Gibb's tenure (I would say he was more talented then all of them with the exception of Theisman). " PLEASE nobody tell Theisman this or he'll never shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by Jay Master Jay Ramsey hasn't learned how to read defenses because he had a clown for a coach. He'll be fine once he learns when to get rid of the ball. Steve Spurrier tought him to read defenses well. He also emphasized getting rid of the ball quick. It's in Ramsey's nature to hold the ball long. Spurrier's biggest mistake was his pass protection schemes. I saw no problem with his tutelage of Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by 3DaysLatr Does anyone here deny that Ramsey more than struggled last season in the face of undisguised blitzes? There were occasions where opposing D.C.s put 8 of their defenders right on the line and Pat was simply overwhelmed. Recievers not adjusting and garbage schemes are absolutely at fault as well but will a D.C. even do that to a seasoned vet that can beat the blitz for seven? Will time holding a clip board and watching from the sidelines really hurt Ramsey? I don't think so, I say that he will learn a great deal from relaying in the plays. Nomenclature, seeing what Brunnel does in certain situations and time in the film room with knowledgeable coaches and a real NFL starting QB (not a shot at Ramsey, a shot at Mathews, Wuerfull and R. Johnson) will make him accell the next time he gears up under center. I really think that Ramsey will explode as a result of all this, what does everyone else think? Actually, yes, I would deny that was the case at all. The problem last year came as opposing defensive coordinators figured out how to force Spurrier's offense into set adjustments. Remember, Spurrier's offense is based on the old run and shoot theory of "he inside, go outside, he outside, go inside, he short, go deep, he deep, go short." Spurrier's offense was based on the theory that there was ALWAYS the right play for the defense the opposition was running. And it was always the QBs job to try to get the team to that play. Once the first rotation of coaching tape when through the league, the offense was just stoned. Why? Because teams knew with certain looks, Spurrier's offense checked to plays that would work against it. But, well disguised, teams were able to cover those known checks and force the offense into confusion. Essentially taking away every throwing area. Spurrier did adapt a little as the year went on. He began adding drag routes to isolate his receivers against linebackers as an example. But, for the most part, teams seemed to know not so much what we were running on any particular play, but rather, how to make us go to a play they would know. And as that happened, Ramsey began to struggle greatly as all QBs would. To Ramsey's credit, he didn't make a lot of "bad" throws in terms of getting intercepted. He did stay within the offense. He did go through his reads and attempt to make the best and safest throw possible most of the time. With Gibbs, you'll find that Ramsey or Brunell will often drop back and only have two guys in a route against 6 or 7 defenders. And we'll hit on big plays despite it because the way Gibbs designs things is different and harder to get a read on than what Spurrier was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsofwashington Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Of course it will help him. Two words twice.......Steve Young, Chad Pennington. I don't think anyone can argue with those two. Man I wish we had Pennington! I'd give both our QB's for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Ramsey has some pride due to him wanting to leave cause he could start possibly in Miami or San Diego, all those rumors. Also, I would rather have Ramsey take a sack holding the ball than throw an interception. If Ramsey wins next year, so be it. If not, he'll only benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by sonsofwashington Man I wish we had Pennington! I'd give both our QB's for him. that's a bold statement, i'b be interested to see you explain this one i mean dam, pennington is good dont get me wrong.... but you'd trade brunell and ramsey for him? no way is he worth 2 starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by GorditoShawn I believe Ramsey has more talent than most of the the quaterbacks under Gibb's tenure hey lets not sell MB short here... i think MB has more talent then any QB that Gibbs had... so that arguement is mute when talking about if Ramsey or MB should start... i fully expect MB to start the season... not sure if he will finish it but i think there is almost no way MB will not win the starting position unless he gets injuryed... Experience that MB has will outweigh the any fresh talent that Ramsey have at the start of the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey T Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by GorditoShawn: I believe Ramsey has more talent than most of the the quaterbacks under Gibb's tenure (I would say he was more talented then all of them with the exception of Theisman). Originally posted by RabidFan "I believe Ramsey has more talent than most of the the quaterbacks under Gibb's tenure (I would say he was more talented then all of them with the exception of Theisman).PLEASE nobody tell Theisman this or he'll never shut up. Well, as the King would say, "Ah thank ya, ahhh thank ya vera much":laugh: :cool: It's good to see my namesake is NOT hated by all Extremers:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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