Golgo-13 Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I have heard that AF is a FA this year. I know that he is getting up there in age, etc. But he might not be a bad pick up. He could be a speed guy, with either Westbrook or Gardner to compliment him as the possession reciever. I personally am in favor of trading Gardner, he had a bad case of the drops, and he is really quite slow. He dosn't have the breakaway speed to get away from the DB's. Anyway, AF could possible be who we are looking for. That way we could hold off on drafting a reciever right away, and concentrate on other, more pressing, issues like the line. We also wouldn't have to worry about Hakim, who can't hold on to a ball to save his life and will be very overpriced because he was in an offense that made him look much more talented than he actually is. Anyway, I know his is a little on the old side, but what do you guys think about bringing AF in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Antonio is not yet a "Free man" (hah... come on guys, laugh), but he will be when he refuses to renegotiate that enormous contract. He may want too much for our tastes, and his play has declined in the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Don't forget that Freeman has spent most of the last few years injured. That was something we unfortunately didn't take into account when we signed Deion "would someone please shut him up" Sanders to big bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I think Freeman just needs a change in scenery. Ever since he got that huge contract his career in Green Bay has gone downhill. He still has some game in him, and if signs for a reasonable contract I'd take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 let's see.....trade a 23 year old #1 pick who averaged 16.1 yards per catch in a season without a decent qb on the team and pick up a 31 year old oft-injured has-been that the Packers are more tha willing to let get up and walk away?<br /><br />what is wrong with this picture?<br /><br />Freeman and Levens have been two players whom the last 2-3 years have been about injuries and soaking up rich dollars under the cap while producing little.<br /><br />Signing Freeman to me is like taking on another Stubblefield type player, whose success came elsewhere and who is in it now just for the money.<br /><br />This guy has no fire left. And the Packers know it.<br /><br />That is one of the reasons they aren't going to renegotiate his contract to keep him.<br /><br />Even at 31 if he was that big of a part of their plans, as say Rod Smith is in Denver also at age 30, they would find a way to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat_Boy Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 If it comes down to Westbrook or Freeman, no way I take Freeman.<br /> <br /> <small>[ February 13, 2002, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: Rat_Boy ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I don't think anyone was thinking about obtaining Freeman through trade, he's isn't worth it. <br /><br />But waiting for Green Bay to release him is another story. He's still a solid starter, and even if someone else is signed or Westy is brought back, Freeman could be dangerous in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinsfan71 Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Freeman isn't that bad, but as many have stated, his price ($$$$$$$$) is probably going to be way to high for our liking, in my mind I say resign Westbrooke, (who when Graham played, was awesome, and seen plenty of balls his way), or maybe go out and get a (J. Green from the Bucs) 1 of Spurriers boys from his Florida days, I don't want to see Az (Fumbles again) Hakim here this season, I agree the system in St.Louis makes him look more talented then he really is, (like another Alvin Harper) please stay away from those types of players!<br /> <img src="http://www.webskins.org/gold/players/others/908525.jpg" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBlaze Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 I can't believe someone put the words "speed" and Antonio Freeman in the same sentance. He was never a speed WR to begin with and now with his age and injuries is even slower. Give Gardner a break, all rookies not named Randy Moss struggle at first. Some of you are too quick to want to trade someone or to acquire the newest player available. I'd like the team to get younger and faster, not older and slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Well seeing Gardner's name mentioned again and again the facts laid out, please not mention him being tagged for trading. <br /><br />How on earth do you hold a "rookie", no matter how good, to the fire for dealing with at least 5 or 6, maybe 7 of the best defensive backfields and double teams, while actually breaking a few of those for catches? How do NOT even consider the dink and dunk style offense, that was actually supposed to be a modified version of the WCO to FIT the player, not the other way around. Eventually they did it for SD, but not Westbrook, Gardner, Rasby and Lockett. Flemister became a favorite, because he was always the closets to Banks arm <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />C'mon, Look around the league, a lot of those defenses even slowed down Marvin Harrison, a true breakaway WR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted February 14, 2002 Author Share Posted February 14, 2002 My only real problem with Gardner is that he lacks the breakaway speed to get away from the DB after the catch. Otherwise, I would agree that there is some potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baralufficus Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Igetskins:<br /><strong>My only real problem with Gardner is that he lacks the breakaway speed to get away from the DB after the catch. Otherwise, I would agree that there is some potential there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">do you make that comment because of that play against the Beagles ....because i remember a game against Carolina that Gardner looked kinda fast, but i could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Forget it. He's old, and he's a bum. We need young quick guys with intensity.<br /><br />With the exception of QBs and OLs, we should do what the Texans are doing -- no one over 30.<br /><br />Fresh legs and team speed -- the coaches will figure out how to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Gardner's speed is fine, he'll just never be a burner. Yet, there are plenty of recievers in this league who play very well without blazing speed. Here are a few:<br /><br />Rod Smith<br />Ed McCafferey<br />Eric Moulds<br />Cris Carter<br />Keyshawn Johnson<br />Mushin Muhammed<br />Keenan McCardell<br />Tim Brown<br />Rob Moore<br /><br />There are quite a few middle-tier recievers that have played well this season and last, and don't have blazing speed either. It's an important component to a complete reciever, but a reciever doesn't have to be a track star to get open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 It appears to me that Freeman has lost a step. I would not sign him for the money that he is going to ask for. He is, I am sure, still a good receiver, but he is going to be demanding great receiver money and he is no longer great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aparrish Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 I just watched some biography on some receiver who had problems with drops his first year... known for not having enough speed to make the big play... Some guy named Rice. <br />You have to give these guys 2-3 years to reach their comfort level and give their work ethic a chance to separate themselves from other receivers... I think Gardner will be a guy fighting for the pro-bowl in 2 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aparrish Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Stay away from Freeman... he is a possesion receiver and we already have a few of those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 I think many are basing Gardner's speed on that one play against the Eagles. But remember, he caught the ball on what appeared to be a button hook or curl route, meaning almost dead stopped, and that the Eagle who ran him down had a head of steam already and was able to drag him down. <br /><br />I think speed is overated, and I'd much rather have a receiver who possesses hands and escapability. Plus, if we could ever get a QB who could hit Gardner in stride, we may see some different results. <br /><br />Finally, there have been many receivers who put up huge numbers who have only average speed. Rice is not known for his speed, yet he catches many balls in stride. Chris Carter is another. <br /><br />Give the now 2nd year man a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 The play against the Eagles was a skinny post, I think.<br /><br />Yes, Gardner is not a burner but I noticed that he was at least fast enough on deep posts and flys to get the FS to rotate to him (and was open when he didn't). We go with a 3-wide spread with a running back like Stephen Davis, who can force base defenses, someone will probably be open every time because they'll probably have to put a LB on a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 I would rather have Corey Bradford with his upside than Freeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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