OURYEAR#56 Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Before anybody starts in on me for trying to illustrate a biase that's not what I'm trying to point out in this thread. I want some body to tell me why Largent is in the HoF and Monk isn't. Monk had more catches, and a longer period of catching the 50 passes or more. Does the hall go one numbers, credentials, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoSkins Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Monk is on the Redskins and Largent is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Larget was the best WR on the field and had 32 more career tds then Monk. Before Rice no one was better then Largent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 It's because Largent in white... Seriously... I can't name another receiver that Largent played with, while Art played with some pretty good company. But, I'm not even saying Largent deserves to be in over Monk because of that, I'm just pointing out that I never remember Seattle having anyone other than Largent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 To be more specific: Largent: Rec 819 Yds 13089 YPC 16.0 TD 100 7 probowls Top 10 in the nfl: receptions - 9 times yards - 8 times tds - 8 times Monk: Rec 940 Yds 12721 YPC 13.5 TD 68 3 probowls Top 10 in the nfl: receptions - 4 times yards - 3 tds - 1 There is a huge difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Touchdowns would probably be the Monk-haters' rationalization. Art had 68, Largent had 100. He was the first receiver to break the century mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Here's an interesting something to note: One reason many Monk nay-sayers give is his performance in big games, most notably the 83 SB against the Raiders. Here are Largent's numbers against those same Raiders in the AFC Championsihp game: 2 catches 24 yards 0 TDs. Maybe we should kick him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Booma, Good post, I think the numbers speak for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by codeorama Booma, Good post, I think the numbers speak for themselves. Looking at that now I see why it is going to be a hard battle for monk to make the HOF, he did not dominate during his era and his numbers show when you are only 3 or 4 years in the top 10 of the nfl during your career doesn't seem like a HOFer to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Obviously its a plot by the man to keep a Redskin down B&G POWER!!! hey hey ho ho!! monk in the HOF is the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I call BS. Those numbers do not reflect the "real" numbers. Name a running back on Seattle they used inside the 20... Still thinking? -- You will be thinking for awhile. The Redskins had big backs that all got the call inside the 20 (Riggins, Riggs, Byner, Bryant, etc..) Anyone want to see rushing TD's by team for the whole decade of the 1980's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eparadox Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I think if we go by Monk's numbers alone, an argument can be made for keeping him out. However, when you factor in that he was an intergral part of Super Bowl winning teams, it becomes ridiculous he hasn't been enshrined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Dexter's Better I call BS. Those numbers do not reflect the "real" numbers. then what are real? those are the real stats of course they are real, look monk was a great player but is he HOF material, who knows we are biased because we are fans. If you look at those same number for another WR then what would you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Well, if you go by numbers for the era he played in, Monk is a shoo-in. How can a guy retire with so many all-time receiving records and not get in??? If these same douchebags were deciding now, they'd say Charley Taylor doesn't have good enough stats to go in... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Is this guy a HOFer? Rec 814 Yds 13777 YPC 16.9 TD 65 3 probowls Top 10: receptions - 2 times yards - 4 times td's - 1 Henry Ellard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by riggo-toni Well, if you go by numbers for the era he played in Rigg these are the number for when he played I am looking at how many times he was in the top 10 in a category a season and how many probowls, he didn't dominate over a long period of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by riggo-toni they'd say Charley Taylor doesn't have good enough stats to go in... :doh: Taylor: 8 probowls top 10: rushes - 1 rushing yds - 1 rushing tds - 1 receptions - 9 yards - 6 tds - 6 yards from scrimmage - 2 total tds - 3 so as you can see Taylor dominated, so he would get in the HOF no matter when he played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Okay. Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1984-1, 1985-2, 1988-9t, 1989-3t Receiving yards: 1984-4, 1985-3, 1989-10 Receiving TDs: 1991-9t Among the league's all-time top 50 Receptions: 5 Receiving yards: 9 Receiving TDs: 28t Yards from scrimmage: 26 Postseason data Please read this fine print before using this data or sending questions or corrections. Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1983 ram W,51-7 | 0 0 0 | 4 60 2 1983 sfo W,24-21 | 0 0 0 | 3 35 0 *1983 rai L,9-38 | 0 0 0 | 1 26 0 1984 chi L,19-23 | 0 0 0 | 10 122 0 1986 ram W,19-7 | 0 0 0 | 5 34 0 1986 chi W,27-13 | 0 0 0 | 5 81 2 1986 nyg L,0-17 | 0 0 0 | 8 126 0 *1987 den W,42-10 | 0 0 0 | 1 40 0 1990 phi W,20-6 | 0 0 0 | 2 44 1 1990 sfo L,10-28 | 1 9 0 | 10 163 1 1991 atl W,24-7 | 1 -2 0 | 3 45 0 1991 det W,41-10 | 0 0 0 | 5 94 1 *1991 buf W,37-24 | 0 0 0 | 7 113 0 1992 min W,24-7 | 3 7 0 | 3 35 0 1992 sfo L,13-20 | 1 3 0 | 2 44 0 ---------------------+-----------------+----------------- TOTAL | 6 17 0 | 69 1062 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Dexter's Better Okay. MONK CAREER POSTSEASON #'s Rec. Yards. TD's 69 1062 7 you don't get in the HOF just on postseason stats, it does help though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 it still turns my stomach that Monk wasn't an automatic his first year of eligibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 If you want to point to postseason as the big stat then you have to look at this: Rec 87 YDS 1314 TD's 8 regular season: Rec 750 Yds 11904 Ypc 15.9 Td 65 include this 5 probowls Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1991-2, 1992-7, 1993-3, 1995-5 Receiving yards: 1991-1, 1992-2, 1993-2, 1994-8, 1995-4, 1997-8t Receiving TDs: 1991-9t, 1992-8t, 1993-9t, 1995-10t, 1997-6t Yards from scrimmage: 1991-4, 1992-10, 1993-8, 1995-9 Among the league's all-time top 50 Receptions: 13t Receiving yards: 11 Receiving TDs: 34t Yards from scrimmage: 31 Is this person HOF material?? . . . . . . . . . . . . (Irvin :puke: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Can someone find Lynn Swann's stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I think Irving is a HOF reciever.. Character issues aside, the man practically gave a new meaning to the term "push off". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by NoCalMike Can someone find Lynn Swann's stats? actually similar to Monk but how long did he wait to get in 15 years? Monk will get it but it will take time 3 probowls reg season Rec 336 Yds 5462 Ypc 16.3 Td 51 post season: Rec 43 Yds 830 Td 8 rings 3 Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 1977-7t, 1978-7t Receiving yards: 1975-8, 1977-4, 1978-7 Receiving TDs: 1975-1t, 1977-6t, 1978-2 Rush/Receive TDs: 1975-7t, 1978-5t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Swann did most of his work during a 4 year period. (Thanks to an awsome supporting cast and certain man named Terry Bradshow.) Monk.. he had what? 3 Different QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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