Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I know we've been a little shy in the sack department (8's not bad though) but how many holds have been committed against us? I like a sack like the next guy but when your opponents have a big play and then the hold call comes in....excellent!! :point2sky Nothing sucks the life out of an offense like a penalty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 A hold is almost as good as a sack in my book, though the players incentive clause doesn't think so i imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins_Fan82 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 yeah, our pash rush (see: Orakpo) does draw a lot of holds. works almost the same really, even though they don't lose a down. I'll admit a sack does do a lot more for momentum though, but i'll take the holding penalties any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 If I'm an offensive coordinator, I prefer a hold to a sack . I lose a little more yardage, but my quarterback doesn't get hit and I still have that down to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeThreeKingsRuleU Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I just explained this conspiracy theory to a co-worker this morning. RAK is held on EVERY player, but so long as it goes for little or no gain, the refs don't call it. So on a drive that lasts 7 plays, with 6 throwing plays, RAK is held 6 times. On the ONE play where they break for a big gain or even a TD, BOOM! In comes the holding penalty. If I'm the LT and I'm getting away with it all game, then, hell, why not? But you also gotta be thinking, my luck is going to run out eventually... And THAT is why we have had so many, late-game, scoring plays nullified by an opponent's holding call. You can't really complain about a holding penalty if you are the Cowboys or the Eagles, and you have gotten away with 1,000,000 holds and the one time it actually helps you put points on the board, you are called for cheating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I'd rather the loss of yardage, plus the loss of down. A hold is a person person's sack, because it buys the offense one more shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I'd rather the loss of yardage, plus the loss of down. A hold is a person person's sack, because it buys the offense one more shot. A person person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Any way to know how many holds have been committed against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Any way to know how many holds have been committed against us? Go through the play-by-play of all the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Go through the play-by-play of all the games Woah....way to much effort I think... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam291 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem with holds vs sacks (and some might say its a trivial point) doesn't have as much to do with the game itself, but all the media and fan responses. Already I've seen posts and threads on ES about how Orakpo isn't doing that well this year and they're 'worried' about him. If Orakpo averages 2 holding calls per game (which is very possible), that exceeds by far any numbers other guys have put up in sacks, but it just doesn't get the same attention, and then you have all these negative vibes around the team for not getting the stats. What's most annoying about this is that a sack is all on the players, while holds needs the refs to first see it and then call it. I'm sure in all the games this year we've found ourselves screaming at the TV about Orakpo being held and there being no calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Woah....way to much effort I think... lol Someone on here will do it. Hell, I got laid off and am looking for a job, I just might do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem with holds vs sacks (and some might say its a trivial point) doesn't have as much to do with the game itself, but all the media and fan responses. Already I've seen posts and threads on ES about how Orakpo isn't doing that well this year and they're 'worried' about him. If Orakpo averages 2 holding calls per game (which is very possible), that exceeds by far any numbers other guys have put up in sacks, but it just doesn't get the same attention, and then you have all these negative vibes around the team for not getting the stats.What's most annoying about this is that a sack is all on the players, while holds needs the refs to first see it and then call it. I'm sure in all the games this year we've found ourselves screaming at the TV about Orakpo being held and there being no calls. Very true...big Al had 2 holding calls on him this week. Great for minus 20 yards and a drive killer but it would be nice to see the big guy unload on a QB...same for Rak Sounds good Hitman... :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Sounds good Hitman... :point2sky From my quick review of the ESPN play-by-play, Dallas: 3 holding calls, 1 declined Houston: 0 holding calls St. Louis: 3 holding calls, 1 declined Philly: 4 holding calls, 0 decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowek723 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 It would be nice to see rak or others get a nice shot on a qb...but /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem with holds vs sacks (and some might say its a trivial point) doesn't have as much to do with the game itself, but all the media and fan responses. Already I've seen posts and threads on ES about how Orakpo isn't doing that well this year and they're 'worried' about him. Anyone worried about Orakpo is an idiot... but so is anyone convinced that getting so many holds makes him an elite pass-rusher. He's good but he has a ton of room for improvement and that improvement will inevitably be reflected in his sack and forced fumble totals. If Orakpo averages 2 holding calls per game (which is very possible), that exceeds by far any numbers other guys have put up in sacks, but it just doesn't get the same attention, and then you have all these negative vibes around the team for not getting the stats. Those other guys get holds, too, and they don't get any recognition for it either. I would imagine that it comes close to balancing out in the end when you're looking at some of the better pass rushers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The entire Eagles roster has a lack of sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 From my quick review of the ESPN play-by-play,Dallas: 3 holding calls, 1 declined Houston: 0 holding calls St. Louis: 3 holding calls, 1 declined Philly: 4 holding calls, 0 decline Thanks for that... :applause: Potentially that's 10 sacks plus the 8 we actually have....now I know that some of those are on running plays but even if half of them are passing hold's, that's still pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Personally I think a sack is better than a holding penalty. Quaterback gets sacked there is always the chance of a fumble, there is also the combined wear and tear on the quaterback. Bears lost two quaterbacks the other night due to sacks, that doesn't happen if the lineman gets called for a hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The problem with holds vs sacks (and some might say its a trivial point) doesn't have as much to do with the game itself, but all the media and fan responses. Already I've seen posts and threads on ES about how Orakpo isn't doing that well this year and they're 'worried' about him. If Orakpo averages 2 holding calls per game (which is very possible), that exceeds by far any numbers other guys have put up in sacks, but it just doesn't get the same attention, and then you have all these negative vibes around the team for not getting the stats.What's most annoying about this is that a sack is all on the players, while holds needs the refs to first see it and then call it. I'm sure in all the games this year we've found ourselves screaming at the TV about Orakpo being held and there being no calls. The fact that so many complain about Orakpo's lack of sacks is a testament to them being the casual viewer vs some that truly understand the game. Not to mention that people are so obsessed with numbers, numbers and more numbers thanks to fantasy football. The more Orakpo gets held, the more he's going to get the call with each passing game. Two of the biggest plays against our dfense thus far have been called back due to what? Holding. The refs know the ability of these players and there is a reason that the better players of the game get the calls. Orakpo has already fallen into that category after just 20 games in the NFL. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Personally I think a sack is better than a holding penalty. Quaterback gets sacked there is always the chance of a fumble, there is also the combined wear and tear on the quaterback. Bears lost two quaterbacks the other night due to sacks, that doesn't happen if the lineman gets called for a hold. No doubts, I totally agree with you but if we're not getting a sack because of a hold it's nice to see the refs calling the hold. :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor21 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 too many holds are not being called for us, i'd rather have the sacks. we get 2-3 hold calls a game, i see 7-10 holds a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Sack >>>> holding in my book. No chance at a turnover, loss of down etc. INJURING the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Team Ever Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Drawing a hold should count as a 1/2 sack. Probably never happen though because it would skew the record books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADF Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 From my quick review of the ESPN play-by-play,Houston: 0 holding calls And Schaub got the crap beat out of him during that game, but he toughed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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