Mr.Skinbo Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Off topic: I ****ing love this guy. Yeah TK is a hell of a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 [/Quote] TK: Hi There That would be funny if he used that to close threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 God forbid...I'd much rather go to battle with the "army" we have now (minus AH) than to bring a guy in for that kind of price. Exactly. Which is why a trade won't likely happen, and if it does we won't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasthunder Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 If we could pull off a trade involving players and not draft picks, I would be all in. As for the money he is asking, well thats up to Allen. And as we have seen, he is very smart when it comes to the money. In the end, if we fielded an offense with Moss, Jackson, Kelly/Thomas, Davis/Cooley, with McNabb throwing to them, it could get quite exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I'm all for trading for Vincent Jackson, just not sure what we would give up to get him. They play a 3-4 so I doubt they would take Haynesworth off our hands. We're already down a 3rd and 4th rounder for next year's draft. So what players could we trade? They don't need a TE since they have Gates, they don't need a RB, so what could we possibly give them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHomer Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 they don't need a RB, so what could we possibly give them? Even if they needed a RB, we don't have one on our roster they'd want. But we COULD give up whatever they wanted. A first and second, two seconds, etc. However, we won't. You saw how we got Carriker, we switched 5th round picks. Allen won't give up two starters for one disgruntled WR. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Adam_Schefter Three teams that have debated making a run at Chargers WR Vincent Jackson are Redskins, Seahawks and Bears. Trade still a longshot. Adam_Schefter RT @villair: What would it take to pry Vincent Jackson away from the Chargers? ... Brandon Marshall set market - two 2's or a 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheismannQuote Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Why not see what Moss, Thomas, and Kelly can do with KShanahan's playbook, McNabb at quarterback, and an NFL-worthy, Offensive Line? Dont' want to see this is guy in DC. Way too many Bars and Nightclubs for this guy to have a fat paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Exactly. Which is why a trade won't likely happen, and if it does we won't like it. More to the point, if it does happen, I think those of us that were cautiously optimistic about the culture change at Redskins Park will finally know what to expect in terms of the real fundamental change we were clamoring for during the depths of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Now here's a question...Would you give up a 1st rounder to get him if you knew we were targeting a WR in the 1st round next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Skinbo Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 I'm all for trading for Vincent Jackson, just not sure what we would give up to get him. They play a 3-4 so I doubt they would take Haynesworth off our hands. We're already down a 3rd and 4th rounder for next year's draft. So what players could we trade? They don't need a TE since they have Gates, they don't need a RB, so what could we possibly give them? Thats where this gets a little interesting, it would be ideal to do a player 4 player trade but then who's gonna want anything we have? the only thing we could possibly do is proposition a future draft pick + player, but then again we have little future draft picks to deal. The thought of having a play maker like this guy makes me super excited but then when reality sinks in, you start to wonder can we give up, do we have anything to give that wouldn't be too expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red$kins4life Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 If we can package up a reasonable deal to get Jackson, he would upgrade our offense tremendously. Hopefully a 2nd round pick + MK or DT would do it, but I doubt the Chargers would do that deal. Jackson is one of the most talented WR's in the game and has incredible upside. I think he will only continue to get better. I understand why people are hesitant to want to trade future draft picks away, we have seen what our franchise has done the past 10 years trading away future picks. But we just spent 2 2nd rounders last year on DT and MK and while I think DT can be pretty good, I have little confidence in Kelly and his bum knee's. VJax is only 27 and signing him to a 4 year deal even if it is expensive would greatly help our team. I really think this team is a big time WR away from the playoffs with all the additions we have made. I say go after him hard...not sure if I would do 2 2nd round picks, but I don't think that is unfair value either, this guy is a stud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I understand why people are hesitant to want to trade future draft picks away, we have seen what our franchise has done the past 10 years trading away future picks. But we just spent 2 2nd rounders last year on DT and MK and while I think DT can be pretty good, I have little confidence in Kelly and his bum knee's. Using that logic we spent a first rounder on Coles. We spent a 3rd rounder on Mark Brunell. We spent a third and fourth rounder on Brandon Lloyd. We spent a third rounder on T.J. Duckett. We spent a second rounder on Jason Taylor. None of those players started more than two seasons with us. Most of them didn't even do that. VJax is only 27 and signing him to a 4 year deal even if it is expensive would greatly help our team. I really think this team is a big time WR away from the playoffs with all the additions we have made. I say go after him hard...not sure if I would do 2 2nd round picks, but I don't think that is unfair value either, this guy is a stud! We have supposedly been a big time player away for 20 years now. We really have to stop. Seriously. Just stop. This team is AT BEST a big question mark that could really use an infusion of young cheap talent that only draft picks can provide. If we continue to give our picks away like monopoly money then nothing has changed on this team, and we will continue to act as if we are 'a player away' into oblivion. Again, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Now here's a question...Would you give up a 1st rounder to get him if you knew we were targeting a WR in the 1st round next year? Personally I would not. Unless somehow I knew it was going to be a LATE 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Personally I would not. Unless somehow I knew it was going to be a LATE 1st round pick. Well if we did trade for VJax, I would definitely expect us to be a playoff team, which would mean a 1st rounder in the 20's. Would there be a WR in the draft that would be as good as VJax is also another thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Now here's a question...Would you give up a 1st rounder to get him if you knew we were targeting a WR in the 1st round next year? No. We need a few other things above a WR in the draft: 1) Future franchise QB (best use of our next years #1 in my opinion) 2) LB (if we are serious about 3-4) 3) NT 4) S Keep in mind, I'm not sure where our 1st rounder will be (top or bottom of round) but those are the positions we most need an immediate impact player. I think trading away our 1st rounder would set the team back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Well if we did trade for VJax, I would definitely expect us to be a playoff team, which would mean a 1st rounder in the 20's. Would there be a WR in the draft that would be as good as VJax is also another thought. Would VJax fit here as well as he did in SD? The Redskins, of all teams, should now know that another team's vet is just as big a gamble as a draft pick is. Except a draft pick is cheaper. And younger. And hungrier. And will grow with our team rather than someone else's. And won't crush the team's cap if he doesn't pan out. Have we learned nothing over the past decade? No. Without hesitation I'd keep my pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 More to the point, if it does happen, I think those of us that were cautiously optimistic about the culture change at Redskins Park will finally know what to expect in terms of the real fundamental change we were clamoring for during the depths of last season. Exactly. This right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 We have supposedly been a big time player away for 20 years now. We really have to stop. Seriously. Just stop. This team is AT BEST a big question mark that could really use an infusion of young cheap talent that only draft picks can provide. If we continue to give our picks away like monopoly money then nothing has changed on this team, and we will continue to act as if we are 'a player away' into oblivion. Great quote. I agree with this 110 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 No. We need a few other things above a WR in the draft: 1) Future franchise QB (best use of our next years #1 in my opinion) 2) LB (if we are serious about 3-4) 3) NT 4) S Keep in mind, I'm not sure where our 1st rounder will be (top or bottom of round) but those are the positions we most need an immediate impact player. I think trading away our 1st rounder would set the team back. I think McNabb has another 2 or 3 years left. I think we can hold off on drafting a QB until 2012. LB is a need, but we'll know more about that after this season, same with NT. Would VJax fit here as well as he did in SD? The Redskins, of all teams, should now know that another team's vet is just as big a gamble as a draft pick is. Except a draft pick is cheaper. And younger. And hungrier. And will grow with our team rather than someone else's. And won't crush the team's cap if he doesn't pan out. Have we learned nothing over the past decade? No. Without hesitation I'd keep my pick. Well Kyle had Andre Johnson in Houston, so he would surely know how to get the most out of VJax. And considering VJax is only 27, he is still young and has plenty of football left in him. Could you imagine an offense with McNabb, VJax, Moss, Cooley, Davis, CP, and LJ? That's alot of weapons for teams to have to worry about. Again I'm not saying we should trade a 1st rounder for him, but if the team believes we are close to making a run this season, a top tier WR would certainly put us close to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 i only want him if we can get him without giving up draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmester Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Here's a good rule of thumb about trades:If a trade makes perfect sense to you, it won't make sense to anyone else. Think of your 'reasonable' idea as a starting point, and then figure out what more you'd be willing to throw into the pot, say Cooley or a second round pick or our 2013 first rounder. When you get to the point that you say 'no frickin' WAY!' it'll make sense to the other side, and you now have your trade. Shanahan shot down your logic with the Jamaal brown trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Now here's a question...Would you give up a 1st rounder to get him if you knew we were targeting a WR in the 1st round next year? Targeting a WR in the first round is generally bonkers to begin with. Very few exceptions to that. Seems that too many end up being busts for the slot and money used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 McNabb has more than 2-3 years left and a 2nd rounder would be a steal. I would pull the trigger and keep our 1st rounder for another OL next year or CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Skinbo Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Vincent Jackson | #83 | WR San Diego Chargers Height: 6-5 Weight: 230 Age: 27 Malcolm Kelly | #12 | WR Washington Redskins | Height: 6-4 Weight: 227 Age: 23 Devin Thomas | #11 | WR Washington Redskins | Height: 6-2 Weight: 215 Age: 23 MK is physically close in every aspect, the more i think about it, the more im leaning towards sticking with what we have. Production what our young WR's are missing, right now V-Jax is producing but it did take him a good 4 years to get to the level he is at today. Our young guys are entering year three, If we stand strong with these guys will they get better? will they finally produce as tru franchise players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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