hitmandm Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Colts: None since Tarik Glenn in 97 Jets: D'Brickshaw and Mangold in 2007 but none since 78 Cowboys: None since 81 Vikings: McKinnie in 2002; Stringer 95 Pats: Logan Mankins in 2005 and Woody in 99 Cards: Levi Brown and Davis Packers:none since 97 Ravens: Grubbs and Oher Chargers: None since before Ryan Leaf Saints: Jamall brown in 2005 in 12 years Only the Jets and Cards have picked an OL in the past 10-12 years of all playoff teams in the top 10- and those guys arent really considered good. Colts, Jets, Chargers have QBs that were taken in top 5 picks and Ravens and Packers also first round QBs. They all have franchise QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I think someone else did the research. It goes to show you that you don't need a first round OL to have a good offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 There are no teams in the paloffs. Only the Redskins can go to the paloffs. Your title is all wrong and offends me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 There are no teams in the paloffs. Only the Redskins can go to the paloffs.Your title is all wrong and offends me. Actually sir you are correct. Pardon my lack of manners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 45% of playoff teams this year had QBs drafted in top 5 picks. Philly, Colts, Chargers, Bengals, Jets. Only 16% had a OLT drafted in top 5 picks (Jets and Arizona)- and those guys arent that great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Is "paloffs" an inside joke? I'm new here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 45% of playoff teams this year had QBs drafted in top 5 picks. Philly, Colts, Chargers, Bengals, Jets.Only 16% had a OLT drafted in top 5 picks (Jets and Arizona)- and those guys arent that great And close to 50% of the teams that won the Super Bowl had QBs drafted in the first round. Its not a secret. Too bad people are too concerned about "bust" potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squatch66 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 are those teams trying to rebuild an ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE? even though they didnt use first rounders on their lines none of those teams didnt flat out neglect their line for over a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 So what? Three of those teams got their franchise QB in FA and not the draft... For all of those teams that have "Franchise QB's" only two of them are perennial playoff teams... Only two of those teams listed have actually won a Super Bowl... There is no magical formula for building a team, and all of those teams you have listed have each done it a different way...Not all of the Qb's on those teams on the list are first round picks...You don't have to draft a QB in the first round to get a franchise QB...He just has to have skills that translate to the NFL, be a winner, be intelligent, and fit your system, and the same as with the first round pick get lucky that it all works out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 For all of those teams that have "Franchise QB's" only two of them are perennial playoff teams... Really? New England, Colts, Eagles, Green Bay - Draft. Ravens, NYJ - Draft. Cinci - Draft Minn, NO - Draft - let go. Not sure your point. It's weak at best. Sure some of these teams just drafted these guys. Sure some of them have only been in the league 1 or 2 years. Regardless, your argument is weak...not really an argument because it's factually false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flock53 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Colts: None since Tarik Glenn in 97Jets: D'Brickshaw and Mangold in 2007 but none since 78 Cowboys: None since 81 Vikings: McKinnie in 2002; Stringer 95 Pats: Logan Mankins in 2005 and Woody in 99 Cards: Levi Brown and Davis Packers:none since 97 Ravens: Grubbs and Oher Chargers: None since before Ryan Leaf Saints: Jamall brown in 2005 in 12 years Only the Jets and Cards have picked an OL in the past 10-12 years of all playoff teams in the top 10- and those guys arent really considered good. Colts, Jets, Chargers have QBs that were taken in top 5 picks and Ravens and Packers also first round QBs. They all have franchise QBs. Colts- Manning (no brainer) He dont need ANY lineman LOL Jets- Top DEFENSE and top RUNNING game Chargers- Franchise QB that carries that team and is a great leader Ravens- Good Qb with a great RUN game and strong DEF Cards- Best of a bad division will be 1 and done Vikes- AP and a DEF. Missing piece but wasnt drafted by Vikes (Jackson) Cowboys- GREAT OL w/ an undrafted FA QB Saints- Great Qb (they didnt draft), retooled the D and added a run game Pats- 6th round gem at QB What is your point exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 What is your point exactly? I thought it was obvious. You don't need 1st round o-linemen. What are you trying to prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 are those teams trying to rebuild an ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE? even though they didnt use first rounders on their lines none of those teams didnt flat out neglect their line for over a decade. Obviously no one is saying to neglect the line. The point he is making is that you don't need to have a first round OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I think someone else did the research. It goes to show you that you don't need a first round OL to have a good offensive line. Unless your team name is the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Is "paloffs" an inside joke? I'm new here... LOL, it's a long story, just search for a thread titled "The payloffs are now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Unless your team name is the Redskins. I don't understand the "winky" face for that comment? Am I missing something? Its kind of creepy :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 So, a guy Chris Samuels-like talent is unneeded by any team. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 i think the skins situation is a little different. alot of people think the o line may need as many as 4 new starters next year, and is the weakest part of the team. getting everyone to agree on that point, though, is not going to happen. so, if shanny thinks O line is the biggest issue and theres a guy there, he takes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 LOL, it's a long story, just search for a thread titled "The payloffs are now" Wait, the term "paloff" comes from a thread "payloffs"? Do I really want to search for it? Is it really that funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tochenzo Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I think the end result here is that there is no magic formula for building a good team. What's important is that each year the team uses their opportunities to further IMPROVE the team. For example, the Baltimore Ravens had a championship defense for the last 5 years, but were continuing to improve their offense. Therefore, they took their opportunity to draft a QB because that's what they needed. Once they found their QB through the draft, they continued building their o-line to improve their running game. Look what happened? Michael Oher has made such an impact on the Ravens that they have substantially improved their run AND pass game. I don't understand your argument here. It is obvious that the Redskins need to improve in many areas of their offense. What's important is that we continue to IMPROVE each year rather than using first round draft picks and the FA on positions that we don't need (which we've been doing for the last decade). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 so, if shanny thinks O line is the biggest issue and theres a guy there, he takes him. Here is my problem with that logic: If you have 2 needs, lets say QB and LT for the sake of argument, and the Redskins are picking at 4 there and they believe that YES, OL is the "larger" problem of the two and Okung and Bradford are there...if you feel Bradford is a QB that fits your system and you can build around - you pull the trigger, no question. The QB position trumps all. HOWEVER, if you DON'T feel that the QB available is worth that pick, then sure, you go LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't understand the "winky" face for that comment? Am I missing something? Its kind of creepy :paranoid: Sorry wasn't trying to get your hopes up.:laugh: I always use that semi-neutral-sex wink. =hint and not "hey baby" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewRegime Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sorry wasn't trying to get your hopes up.:laugh: I always use that semi-neutral-sex wink. =hint and not "hey baby" Well, between that, your sig (which I worry has a picture of me in the eye, lol) and the drooley face, I am feeling all kinds of creeped out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flock53 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I thought it was obvious. You don't need 1st round o-linemen. What are you trying to prove? I thought it was obvious, you dont need to draft a QB high in the draft either. You can get to the playoffs with a good D and running game. Rodgers sat what 3 years before starting, do we have that luxury? :doh: P.S Warner wasnt drafted either (Arena leaguer) and just like Brady got a chance to shine because of injuries to their "franchise" QBs. There is NO actual bluprint otherwise everyone would follow it. :doh: Some here think theres a "franchise" QB in this draft, some think the OL talent is better and you build the line first. After all the hype last year how GREAT this QB class would be, I think its BLAH. How did Bama do it? RUN GAME and DEFENSE while the pretty boy QB wussed out. :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Look what happened? Michael Oher has made such an impact on the Ravens that they have substantially improved their run AND pass game. Uhhh MIchael Oher has little to do with the Ravens current performance. Good player, but he didn't "change the team". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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