Atlass Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Speaking as a Broncos' fan Shanny doesn't run a West Coast offense, People who say Shanny runs the west coast offense are really wrong. He runs Mike Shanahan's offense which is way more run heavy than true west coast offenses. Also he likes QBs that can work out of the shotgun formation. Bill Walsh hated the shotgun formation. I also think another big difference is that Joe Montana can run the West Coast offense. I don't know how well he would be able to run the offense Shanny is going to assemble in D.C. He wants a QB that is going to have a big arm and can move. He wants a QB that can make everythow that he had in the playbook when he was coaching Elway. Looking at what my vision of Shanny's perfect QB Would be Ben Roethelisberger. Big, smart, mobile, strong and can make all the throws. (sound a little like Campbell) I personaly think that Campbell could be this guy as well. He doesn't have to be extrememly accurate but he has to be a guy that stretches the field. This puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the defense. Shanny would start games with nothing but passes throwing balls all over the field getting the defenseive players on their heels and then he would start with the ground game and the defense at this point are disorganized and frustrated on the verge of panic. You will get to know him as a genius even before the first game. He is a genius, he really is. I challenge EVERY REDSKIN FAN to watch EVERY Shanny press conferance. Believe me you'll see that he is so damn smart. I promise just his intelect alone will beat Fluffy Boy and the Cowboys. He did not get the name The Mastermid because of anything the Broncos did on the field, he got that name from his press conferances. You can just see how well prepared he is and what great Football Common Cents he has. Snyder started it but the fans have to make this season special by buying into what is happening. The Redskind dynasty is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I smell a NNT this is the 100000th new uniform post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of the Devil Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 troll much?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Hm, tastes pretty unintelligible. Smells dumb too. I bet all your thoughts read about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidley Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 yield in the merge....very soon -yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan190 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Actually he does run a WCO. fail :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 troll much?? He makes good points, even though he seems like he's hyper-ventilating just a bit. Makes sense Shanny wants a QB with an arm though...he doesn't like holding back...and boy did he love Cutler... However, we should stick with what works, and the old uniforms are just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missin Meast Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 can someone just photo shop new uniforms as opposed to just talking about it ALL THE TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=180675&highlight=fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Fried Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Campbell most certainly cannot make all of the throws. He messes up so many easy throws by his poor accuracy it's not even funny. His inaccuracy is one of a laundry list of his problems. I don't think he's quick-thinking enough to run Shanny's offense, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan190 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Campbell most certainly cannot make all of the throws. He messes up so many easy throws by his poor accuracy it's not even funny. His inaccuracy is one of a laundry list of his problems. I don't think he's quick-thinking enough to run Shanny's offense, either. I know who is check ur sig Sam Braford and Clausen are great fits for Shanahans Offense. I'd be happy with either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Campbell most certainly cannot make all of the throws. He messes up so many easy throws by his poor accuracy it's not even funny. His inaccuracy is one of a laundry list of his problems. I don't think he's quick-thinking enough to run Shanny's offense, either. Careful now because JC's handler's will come by with their kid gloves and talk about 60% accuracy numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 To OP: NO! THEY DON'T! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlass Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 can someone just photo shop new uniforms as opposed to just talking about it ALL THE TIME! Why does everyone want to talk about uniforms!?!?!? I gues I would love for the skins burgundy to be even darker, like blood from a shotgun to the back of the head. I love that color!! They could go all burgendy Blood with jersies and pants. That would kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Relax, it's Shanahan's 6 year old grandson on the computer :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Wow. :munchout: Needs something. :helmet:The Rook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlass Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 Campbell most certainly cannot make all of the throws. He messes up so many easy throws by his poor accuracy it's not even funny. His inaccuracy is one of a laundry list of his problems. I don't think he's quick-thinking enough to run Shanny's offense, either. I don't know a whole lot about Campbell, but if Shanny has any doubts about him he'll grab Sam Bradford and I believe still keep Campbell. Campbell might really blossom and Bradford could have a set back on the shoulder so this seems to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x96bryan10 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Actually he does run a WCO. fail :doh: Shannahan does not run a typical WCO the way MIke Holmgren and Jim Zorn run. Mike Shannahan has never been about the short passing game. I'm sure he takes alot from it and since he's a bill Walsh tree memeber its easier to throw him under that bus. Think about his 2 main qb's John Elway and Jay Cutler do they seem the type to be throwing 5 yard slants all game with the runnig back mixed in or are the qb's who stretch the field and make plays. It's been known for years that M. Shanny runs his own style of offense which was th OP's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Careful now because JC's handler's will come by with their kid gloves and talk about 60% accuracy numbers. Yeah, and we wouldn't want anyone bringing logic or common sense into this circle jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibarramedia Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Shannahan does not run a typical WCO the way MIke Holmgren and Jim Zorn run. Mike Shannahan has never been about the short passing game. I'm sure he takes alot from it and since he's a bill Walsh tree memeber its easier to throw him under that bus. Think about his 2 main qb's John Elway and Jay Cutler do they seem the type to be throwing 5 yard slants all game with the runnig back mixed in or are the qb's who stretch the field and make plays. It's been known for years that M. Shanny runs his own style of offense which was th OP's point. Hmmm. Yes and no. From year one to about the 2nd Superbowl win, I think they stayed true to form as far as being close to the WCO that Zorn and Holmgren ran. The year before the first Superbowl win, Shanahan deviated from it a little bit by being the first WCO coach to implement a shotgun to suit John Elway who has always used shotgun under Dan Reeves. In today's NFL 100% of the teams use shotgun. Joe Gibbs,Jon Gruden and Mike Holmgren were the last 3 coaches to never use the shotgun and finally implemnted it on their offense to use on third down. Particularly third and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibarramedia Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Here is an interesting article from '99 in one of my files: Script, please: Broncos follow man with plan By Adam Schefter Denver Post Sports Writer Sept. 12, 99 - They know the script the way all great performers do. They follow it line by line, just the way they rehearsed, hoping to stage the perfect play, the perfect performance. It's a scheme that has worked to near perfection for the Denver Broncos. They collected top honors in 1997, and again with their sequel in '98. Now they go for the trilogy. The director and screenwriter, a k a head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, have been as essential to the production as the leading men - Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith et al. But just like in Hollywood, every award-winning performance needs a good script. Which brings us to football, hardly a game predictable enough to be confined to a script. But that doesn't stop Kubiak from being the offensive playwright for each game. His actors practice it to perfection until the curtain rises Sunday afternoon or Monday night. With each script - usually 15 plays or so - they rehearse Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, then visualize during the moments they are not on the field. It allows them to witness the performance before it even unfolds. The stage plays in San Francisco, Seattle and Green Bay as well. But nowhere do they do it as well as Denver. "Scripting, to me, is almost like double preparation," Kubiak said. "We drill in the player's head these 15 plays over and over again. And then their individual coach is going to drill those 15 plays in their head. And they're going to sit at their locker the day of the game and look at those 15 plays. They will be coached so hard on those 15 plays that it's just got to be a reason why they run them so much better and so clean. The preparation - the double preparation, as I like to call it - makes them that much more successful." Scripting is not just a matter of helping players remember their assignments on a given set of plays. It boils down to exploiting, if not creating, your opponents' weaknesses. For instance, let's say the Broncos' bread-and-butter play runs Davis off left tackle, and they're playing a defense that reads and defends the play well. To create a bit a confusion a script might have the Broncos running right out of that Terrell Left formation for a decent gain, forcing an adjustment by the defense. The next time the defense sees that formation, it's ready to react right. Instead, the Broncos run Davis' money play to the left. Boom! Big gain. Just like they scripted it. Recently, Kubiak agreed to sit down and reveal the Broncos' mind-set for the script they used to earn football's Oscar, the Vince Lombardi Trophy, when they beat the Atlanta Falcons in Super Bowl XXXIII. Let's see what Denver did to get the Falcons leaning right when they were going left. The Broncos' Super Bowl script: down/to go/yard line 1/10/DB20: With the Falcons expecting the Broncos to hand Davis the ball to start the game, Denver figured it could throw it to him. So on the first play of the game, as they rehearsed all week, the Broncos sent Davis in motion, acting as a receiver and not as a runner. Davis ran a little slant route outside tight end Shannon Sharpe. The Broncos knew they were throwing for Davis well before they left Denver for Miami. Not that John Elway couldn't have thrown to another receiver; he could have. But No. 30 clearly was option No. 1. The problem with the play was not the formation. It was the execution. Elway was, as Kubiak described, "geeked up and the ball came out smoking." The play did not go off as rehearsed. Result: Incomplete pass. 2/10/DB20: Just as Davis was the designated target on play No. 1, Sharpe was the designated target on play No. 2. Days before the game, Shanahan predicted to his son Kyle that either Elway or Sharpe - not Davis - would win Super Bowl XXXIII MVP. Shanahan figured the Falcons would be so intent on keying on Davis that Elway and Sharpe would have the chance to make some super history. No tight end had won a Super Bowl MVP, but the Broncos truly believed this could be the first. Right away, the Broncos tried to see if their instincts were correct. On their second offensive play of the game, they put Elway in a shotgun formation and spread the field with four wide receivers. But rather than play the zone defense Denver was expecting, Atlanta blitzed. The Falcons nearly got Elway. But just before they could sack him, Elway, as he had done so many times, backpedaled away from danger. Just before he was sacked, he got rid of the ball. And got it to the receiver who was running a hook route right in the middle of the field. Sharpe. Just as it was scripted. Result: 12-yard completion to Sharpe. Every now and then, the script, like a firecracker, is a dud. There have been times when the Broncos have run the first three or four plays of their script, realized nothing was working, and scrapped their week of preparation. "We'll say, 'Hey, these guys are playing us totally different than we thought they would play us, that's gone, let's go on to something else,'" Kubiak said. It happened last season at San Diego, when Denver played a Sunday night game there in late November. Right at the game's outset, the Chargers stuffed the Broncos cold, and Denver turned a cold shoulder to it script. "We went to a two-back shotgun (offense) and you can ask our players, it was a school-yard football game," Kubiak said. "We were calling stuff that was not in the game plan but we felt like that was the way we had to beat them. It was not only not scripted, it was not even part of the plan." Good, smart players adjust. They ad lib. And they find a way to make it work. 1/10/DB32: Even though there was a script - as there always is - Elway had the option to audible out of a play if the defense he saw wasn't what he was expecting. But when the Falcons stepped to the line of scrimmage in their base defense on their third defensive play of the game, Elway liked what he saw. He went right to the third play on the script. A Davis run around left end. "We knew we were going to have to throw the ball to win," Kubiak said. "But we also knew T.D. was going to get his carries." This was one. Result: Davis gains 1 yard. 2/9/DB33: Sticking with the script - designed to see how Atlanta planned to defend Denver's rushing attack - the Broncos stuck with Davis. "You're trying to find out what a defense is all about, so you do a lot of things," Kubiak said. "You try to find out how they're going to play you in various situations. So you're not only scripting plays for yourself, but your scripting plays that make them react to what you're going to do for the rest of the game. You might jump in a formation just to see how they would play that formation. Or how they're going to match up on some of your people so that when you get to quarters two, three and four you know now, early in the game, how they would play you. In a lot of ways, you're trying to get people to show their hand so to speak." This time the call was to run a little more inside than the previous play. This time the play ran Davis right over left tackle. Result: Davis gains 2 yards. "I know the argument for scripting plays," San Diego Chargers quarterback Jim Harbaugh said this summer after another one of his team's practices. "Everybody has a chance to think about them. There are less penalties. My only question is, what happens if on the first play of the game there's a bomb and it goes down to the 2-yard line? What if your second scripted play is another long pass? So it's obviously going to change. So do I like scripting? I'm not a big proponent of it. I think there are a lot of plays that can change by sequence. And it's going to happen. You can't just run 15 straight plays scripted out. Games just don't go that way." 3/7/DB35: If it is ever third down and 3 or more yards to go, the Broncos go off their main script right onto another. The one they shift to is their third-down script. For each game, the Broncos have a list of third-down plays they plan to use. Against the Falcons, the Broncos had one they wanted to use more than others. During the week of preparations, Kubiak approached Elway with a script specifically for third downs. "Mike and I have a list of plays here," Kubiak told Elway. "Which one do you want first?" Without hesitating, Elway responded, "Lion." Lion calls for Elway to line up in the shotgun and for Broncos wide receiver Rod Smith to run a deep slant route. Elway knew he was going to call it on the first third and long he faced, and, sure enough, he did. The call worked like a dream. Result: 41-yard completion to Smith. 1/10/AF24: Back to the script, and back to Davis. Even though it is play No. 6, it is only play No. 5 on the Broncos' script. A Davis run over right guard. The idea here is to mix it up, go to the other side of the field. The Broncos also still want to see how the Falcons are playing the run. And, with Falcons defensive tackle Shane Dronett leading a turbo-charged unit, this is the answer: tough. Result: Davis gains 1 yard. 2/9/AF23: Staying on the script - making it six of the seven plays it have been used - the Broncos send Davis back over left guard. Seeing how the Falcons have defensed him on his first three carries of the game, sensing how they're going to do it the rest of the time, the Broncos are able to make the necessary blocking adjustments and free Davis. Result: Davis gains 9 yards. Back when he was an offensive coach at USC, before he became the San Diego Chargers head coach last January, Mike Riley tried scripting plays in two games. "As soon as I'd get off of it, the other coaches would start yelling, 'You're off the script! You're off the script!'" Riley recalled. "But scripting just didn't work as well for me. Our players know what our plays are in certain situations, so it's kind of the same way of having a script in my mind. I find it a little confining for a coach. Obviously Bill Walsh and Mike Shanahan have had great success with it, but I kind of like to go more with the flow of the game rather than the script." 1/10/AF14: Inside the opponent's 20-yard line is the area known as the red zone. After Davis' 9-yard run, the Broncos found themselves in the red zone. Whenever they arrive there, Shanahan goes off the script as often as he stays on it. "If the boss likes what's on the script, he may stay on it," Kubiak said. "But he also may say I don't like that play I have scripted. That was for a field play and we're down in the red zone. I want to go to my red zone play." But here gut instincts tell Shanahan to decide to stick with the script. It is another handoff to Davis, this one up the middle. Result: Davis loses 1 yard. 2/11/AF15: Undaunted, even facing second and long, Shanahan stays on the script for the eighth time in his team's first nine plays and goes back to the player he is expecting to have the biggest game. He calls for Sharpe to run a slant route down the middle of the field. Just as he expected, the play is wide-open. Elway completes the pass to Sharpe, who is running toward pay dirt. But just short of the end zone, Falcons cornerback Ray Buchanan slams into Sharpe. The violent collision saves a touchdown for the Falcons and costs Sharpe the rest of the game. Sharpe limps to the sideline with a torn ligament in his knee, and his hopes of becoming the first tight end Super Bowl MVP equally wounded. But Sharpe can take comfort in this: The play was not a total loss. Result: 14-yard completion to Sharpe. 1/1/AF1: Just as the Broncos have a 15-play script to open games, just as they have a lengthy script of plays solely for third-down plays, they also have a mental script for goal-line plays. "Mike was going to go to the first play in our minds that we decided to call on the goal line," Kubiak said. "This play was No. 1. We knew we were giving the ball to Howard Griffith on the goal line in this game. We knew everybody thought 30 would get the ball, that's why we went to Howard." So even the plays that are not scripted are scripted in a lot of ways. It shows. Result: Griffith gains 1 yard and a touchdown. Like many things in life - from eating sushi to bungee jumping - scripting plays is not for everyone. But it is for the Broncos. "I just think it's a hell of a deal," Kubiak said. "As a coach, it makes you so comfortable because you've really called the first quarter of the football game. Now you've got to go find out if you're right or wrong. But you're preparation is such that when the ball's being kicked off and you're saying, "OK, what am I going to call?' We know what we're going to call. Here's what we're running. You could almost say, 'I'll be back in 15 plays, somebody else call this game.' Because you're going to stay with that script unless it doesn't work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ^^ It's obvious to anyone watching with an unbiased mind that Campbell plays really well when the offensive game plan is being followed strictly, and the opposing defense is playing the way the coaches expected. So the whole "script" thing is great for our team and Campbell, and with a coach like Shanahan who is usually right about what to expect from opposing defense's, the script should usually be "acted out". That being said, the one thing I worry about is the improvising part. Campbell has shown to be very inconsistent when it comes to plays breaking down, or defense's figuring out what we're doing and playing us correctly. People mistake that often for Campbell being "slow" or a poor decision maker, but it's really the lack of confidence in his ability to improvise and "read and react". He's too worried he'll read it wrong. If we are to stick with Campbell, I hope Shanahan can fix this issue of his. It's the one thing that will make Campbell clutch, which in my opinion, is the biggest missing element of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan190 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Shannahan does not run a typical WCO the way MIke Holmgren and Jim Zorn run. Mike Shannahan has never been about the short passing game. I'm sure he takes alot from it and since he's a bill Walsh tree memeber its easier to throw him under that bus. Think about his 2 main qb's John Elway and Jay Cutler do they seem the type to be throwing 5 yard slants all game with the runnig back mixed in or are the qb's who stretch the field and make plays. It's been known for years that M. Shanny runs his own style of offense which was th OP's point. Get the **** out of here. Every one knows he runs a run oriented WCO that is no secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesburgvaskinsfan Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ^^ It's obvious to anyone watching with an unbiased mind that Campbell plays really well when the offensive game plan is being followed strictly, and the opposing defense is playing the way the coaches expected. So the whole "script" thing is great for our team and Campbell, and with a coach like Shanahan who is usually right about what to expect from opposing defense's, the script should usually be "acted out". That being said, the one thing I worry about is the improvising part. Campbell has shown to be very inconsistent when it comes to plays breaking down, or defense's figuring out what we're doing and playing us correctly. People mistake that often for Campbell being "slow" or a poor decision maker, but it's really the lack of confidence in his ability to improvise and "read and react". He's too worried he'll read it wrong. If we are to stick with Campbell, I hope Shanahan can fix this issue of his. It's the one thing that will make Campbell clutch, which in my opinion, is the biggest missing element of his game. Very key point right there about JC. He shows the ability to tuck and go when a play breaks down, and the opportunity presents itself, but sometimes he's just a little slow to react. Seeing the field is another area of concern about him. Otherwise, if given time to make his progressions, he has the tools to succeed right here with Shanahan since he'll be smart enough to put JC into situations that best use his talents, unlike Zorn/Lewis' scheme based offense that didn't fit our players' strong points. As for Coach Shanahan....I'm excited about the possibilities for us ahead! Hail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsnbeer Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ^^ It's obvious to anyone watching with an unbiased mind that Campbell plays really well when the offensive game plan is being followed strictly, and the opposing defense is playing the way the coaches expected. So the whole "script" thing is great for our team and Campbell, and with a coach like Shanahan who is usually right about what to expect from opposing defense's, the script should usually be "acted out". That being said, the one thing I worry about is the improvising part. Campbell has shown to be very inconsistent when it comes to plays breaking down, or defense's figuring out what we're doing and playing us correctly. People mistake that often for Campbell being "slow" or a poor decision maker, but it's really the lack of confidence in his ability to improvise and "read and react". He's too worried he'll read it wrong. If we are to stick with Campbell, I hope Shanahan can fix this issue of his. It's the one thing that will make Campbell clutch, which in my opinion, is the biggest missing element of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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