SnyderShrugged Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 It's a "stay in school" message. People are paranoid. It wasnt paranoia, the fact is, the assignments that were sent from the Ed secretary were not in the "stay in school" vein. The white house has retracted those assignments due to the outcry. from the link i posted earlier.. "The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president The issue was more with the assignments (which really arent allowed) from the Ed dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I don't think so. Bush had plenty of "Undersecretary of Health and Human Services for such and so" just the same as Obama.The Czar meme is just something that popped up recently on right wing talk, based on pretty much nothing. I guess they figure that Czar sounds Russian, and the Russians used to be commies, so if they talk about Czars a lot is makes Obama sound like a commie too. Or something. Not sure if this is correct, it's hard to find accurate info on it, but I think Bush had 9 or 10 "czars" here is the list that is still growing under President Obama... Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) czar, Richard Holbrooke AIDS czar, Jeffrey Crowley Auto recovery czar, Ed Montgomery Behavioral science czar, position not yet filled Bailout czar, Herbert Allison Jr., [replaced Bush bailout czar Neel Kashkari, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability confirmed by Senate] Border czar, Alan Bersin Car czar, Ron Bloom [Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury , under Senate oversight] Climate change czar, Todd Stern Copyright czar, not appointed yet Counterterrorism czar, John Brennan Cybersecurity czar, position will be vacant on August 21st [upon the departure of Melissa Hathaway] Disinformation czar, Linda Douglass Domestic violence czar, Lynn Rosenthal Drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske Economic czar, Larry Summers Economic czar number two, Paul Volcker Education czar, Arne Duncan Energy czar, Carol Browner Food czar, Michael Taylor Government performance czar, Jeffrey Zients Great Lakes czar, Cameron Davis Green jobs czar, Van Jones Guantanamo closure czar, Daniel Fried Health czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle Infotech czar, Vivek Kundra Intelligence czar, Dennis Blair Latin-American czar, Arturo Valenzuela (nominee) Mideast peace czar, George Mitchell Mideast policy czar, Dennis Ross Pay czar, Kenneth Feinberg Regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein Religion czar, aka God czar Joshua DuBois Safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings Science czar, John Holdren Stimulus oversight czar, Earl Devaney Sudan czar, J. Scott Gration TARP czar, Elizabeth Warren Technology czar, Aneesh Chopra Trade czar, Ron Kirk Urban affairs czar, Adolfo Carrion War czar, Douglas Lute Weapons czar, Ashton Carter [actually Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics and so subject to Senate confirmation] Weapons of mass destruction czar, Gary Samore Positions being planned: Land-use czar Mortgage czar, formally "consumer financial protection czar" Radio-internet fairness czar Student loan czar, Voter list czar Zoning czar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 It wasnt paranoia, the fact is, the assignments that were sent from the Ed secretary were not in the "stay in school" vein. The white house has retracted those assignments due to the outcry.from the link i posted earlier.. "The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president The issue was more with the assignments (which really arent allowed) from the Ed dept. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. When I read the outcry abut this, I was on FreeRepublic, and people weren't complaining about any assignments. The outcry was about how the schools were going to let Obama talk to their children at all without their written consent, and how that was unconstitutional, and so forth. No one was talking about any assignments (although, to me, it sounds like the assignments really were basic civics stuff, inartfully worded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.When I read the outcry abut this, I was on FreeRepublic, and people weren't complaining about any assignments. The outcry was about how the schools were going to let Obama talk to their children at all without their written consent, and how that was unconstitutional, and so forth. No one was talking about any assignments (although, to me, it sounds like the assignments really were basic civics stuff, inartfully worded). Yeah, I cant stand those stupid freepers. Bad mojo for real conservatives. (Honestly, i wouldnt put violence past that group at all btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this is correct, it's hard to find accurate info on it, but I think Bush had 9 or 10 "czars"here is the list that is still growing under President Obama... Maybe that's because Obama is actually trying to do a good job running the country? :whoknows: Do you understand the concept of delegating? Do you realize that Obama cannot personally oversee day-to-day operations of everything? Please tell me the difference between a Czar and a person responsible for reporting/monitoring/advising the president about a particular set of issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Not sure if this is correct, it's hard to find accurate info on it, but I think Bush had 9 or 10 "czars"here is the list that is still growing under President Obama... Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) czar, Richard Holbrooke AIDS czar, Jeffrey Crowley Auto recovery czar, Ed Montgomery Behavioral science czar, position not yet filled Bailout czar, Herbert Allison Jr., [replaced Bush bailout czar Neel Kashkari, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability confirmed by Senate] Border czar, Alan Bersin Car czar, Ron Bloom [Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury , under Senate oversight] Climate change czar, Todd Stern Copyright czar, not appointed yet Counterterrorism czar, John Brennan Cybersecurity czar, position will be vacant on August 21st [upon the departure of Melissa Hathaway] Disinformation czar, Linda Douglass Domestic violence czar, Lynn Rosenthal Drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske Economic czar, Larry Summers Economic czar number two, Paul Volcker Education czar, Arne Duncan Energy czar, Carol Browner Food czar, Michael Taylor Government performance czar, Jeffrey Zients Great Lakes czar, Cameron Davis Green jobs czar, Van Jones Guantanamo closure czar, Daniel Fried Health czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle Infotech czar, Vivek Kundra Intelligence czar, Dennis Blair Latin-American czar, Arturo Valenzuela (nominee) Mideast peace czar, George Mitchell Mideast policy czar, Dennis Ross Pay czar, Kenneth Feinberg Regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein Religion czar, aka God czar Joshua DuBois Safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings Science czar, John Holdren Stimulus oversight czar, Earl Devaney Sudan czar, J. Scott Gration TARP czar, Elizabeth Warren Technology czar, Aneesh Chopra Trade czar, Ron Kirk Urban affairs czar, Adolfo Carrion War czar, Douglas Lute Weapons czar, Ashton Carter [actually Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics and so subject to Senate confirmation] Weapons of mass destruction czar, Gary Samore Positions being planned: Land-use czar Mortgage czar, formally "consumer financial protection czar" Radio-internet fairness czar Student loan czar, Voter list czar Zoning czar Bull. Look at that list. You are telling me that Bush didn't have a secretary of energy and now Obama has Carol Browner)? He didn't have a secretary of education? He had no economic advisors? He didn't have specific guys assigned to monitor specific programs and issues. How gullible are you? Tell the truth - where did you get this list? Tons of guys like this existed under Bush too. There always are a zillion Undersecretaries for various issues. Just no one used to call them "czars". And Obama doesn't call them czars either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Please tell me the difference between a Czar and a person responsible for reporting/monitoring/advising the president about a particular set of issues. One of them is when Obama does it, and it can be used to scare people about rampant Czarism. The other is when a responsible Republican does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Tell the truth - where did you get this list? google search turned up this: http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?tag=bailout-czar hehe check out the "planned Czar" list, it starts with the "Income redistribution czar". :hysterical: Hilarious. A little sad that people fall for this, but otherwise hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Looks like anybody can just go on the site and create the event. I just went on the site and created an event: Hehe. You radical, Alexey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 The difference is many of his are self avowed communists and radicals. That is a BIG difference. WTH is he appointing these people? Didn't he say we should judge him by the people he surrounds himself with? Many? Please demonstrate "many." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 So I guess by "Obama's team" the Republican who writes the heritage blog means "some random dude on the interwebz" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarpon75 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's a "stay in school" message. People are paranoid. And some are naive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I thought under secretary's had to be confirmed by the Senate and report through those channels, but a "Czar" reported directly to the POTUS and he alone had the ability to appoint without confirmation. IS that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Bull. Look at that list. You are telling me that Bush didn't have a secretary of energy and now Obama has Carol Browner)? He didn't have a secretary of education? He had no economic advisors? He didn't have specific guys assigned to monitor specific programs and issues. How gullible are you? Tell the truth - where did you get this list? Tons of guys like this existed under Bush too. There always are a zillion Undersecretaries for various issues. Just no one used to call them "czars". And Obama doesn't call them czars either. I'm positive that I started my post with "I'm not sure if this is correct" on the Bush Czars (or other terms for them). I had the list emailed to me from my dad. Now that said. I know for sure there wasnt a Pay czar nor a Car Czar unbtil Obama's admin. Also pretty sure there wasnt a climate change czar, Green jobs czar, or a TARP czar. lastly, regardless of who had more. The whole concept of an unelected Czar with large amounts of power over things like the economy, simply bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I thought under secretary's had to be confirmed by the Senate and report through those channels, but a "Czar" reported directly to the POTUS and he alone had the ability to appoint without confirmation.IS that wrong? I believe you are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarpon75 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I thought under secretary's had to be confirmed by the Senate and report through those channels, but a "Czar" reported directly to the POTUS and he alone had the ability to appoint without confirmation.IS that wrong? That would make all the difference in the world,wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 That would make all the difference in the world,wouldn't it? Apparently not to some people. Curious that someone that can't get confirmed by a dem controlled senate Still;) gets to supervise officially. Seems to be a end run around on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 To the OP....no retraction? Obama's Team Crosses the Rhetorical Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 LOL, the left pandering to their own loons. Wasn't so funny when Bush was doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I know for sure there wasnt a Pay czar nor a Car Czar unbtil Obama's admin. Also pretty sure there wasnt a climate change czar, Green jobs czar, or a TARP czar. What makes you think that any of these people are "Czars," rather than just a point person for the President on a particular policy initiative? lastly, regardless of who had more. The whole concept of an unelected Czar with large amounts of power over things like the economy, simply bothers me. What power do they have, other than the power the President already has to oversee the executive branch? He's the President - he's not allowed to have whatever advisors he thinks he needs? Hell, where does this whole idea come from, that if the President puts an advisor on a specific policy initiative, then suddenly that person has been elevated to the rank of Grand High Poobah with the power to move mountains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hell, where does this whole idea come from, that if the President puts an advisor on a specific policy initiative, then suddenly that person has been elevated to the rank of Grand High Poobah with the power to move mountains? Well if it doesn't mean that then their point is entirely rebutted...so it must mean that...duh :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I thought under secretary's had to be confirmed by the Senate and report through those channels, but a "Czar" reported directly to the POTUS and he alone had the ability to appoint without confirmation.IS that wrong? As far as I can tell, "Czar" is a made up term by the media, shorthand for anyone that advises the President or leads a policy initiative. The nefarious special powers attributed to such people appear to be a recent creation of the paranoia of the Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 As far as I can tell, "Czar" is a made up term by the media, shorthand for anyone that advises the President or leads a policy initiative. The nefarious special powers attributed to such people appear to be a recent creation of the paranoia of the Right. Nah, there were howls of proetest when Bush was doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Nah, there were howls of proetest when Bush was doing it. I thought Bush didn't do it, this was a new Obama thing? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Who made that claim? I think the probelm some people have is the sheer number of them and the fact that they report directly to the WH with no Congressional confirmation or oversight. I have a problem because more than half of them seem like nothing more than cronyism paying off his buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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