GrimReaper21 Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 I wouldn't consider deion a flop. All you deion haters have to stop. He only let up one td the whole season. One. plus a 57 yard punt return in ot to seal the victory. And all the guys on the team liked him, like darrel and champ. I like deion and he is one of my favorite players of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poidog22 Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Originally posted by SmootSkins21 I wouldn't consider deion a flop. All you deion haters have to stop. He only let up one td the whole season. One. plus a 57 yard punt return in ot to seal the victory. And all the guys on the team liked him, like darrel and champ. I like deion and he is one of my favorite players of all time. Wow never thought I'd see those words on this site, much less this thread. I still hate Deion, and think he stole a lot of cap space, but Kudos to Smootskins for stepping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Where is Alvin Harper? Letting Larry Centers go also was high on the flop meter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Deion's 57 yard punt return in the Tampa game has to be weighed against the 3.4 yard average he had on punts BEFORE that return AND all the fumbles. Remember the ball actually hitting Deion in the face shield? Then in the open field he was run down by a backup safety? No, Deion was nowhere near the player he said he was going to be. What he was was a solid cornerback whose play never matched his bravado. He didn't even last the season as the punt returner before complaining about a bad back and hamstring. Then the coaches kept him at CB exclusively. Sanders was an $8 million boondoggle. And the shame of it was the Skins already had one very good corner in Champ Bailey and another in Darrell Green that at 38 could have been a serviceable starter in 2000. The Skins could have gone on the market and acquired a third corner with NFL experience or even a name player to challenge for a spot, and saved themselves so much money under the cap it isn't even funny :mad: Deion was a shell of himself here in DC. What was really pathetic was Deion trying to grandstand and talk down his opponents while he was proving on the field he was mortal and could be beaten on routes that 3 or 4 years earlier nobody would even dare throw on him. Snyder got snookered. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskns21 Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Keeping small helmet Stubblefield's fat ass for more than 2 years. With the expectations that we had for him and Big Daddy, they have to be considered a pretty large flop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper21 Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 was deion the same deion that is one the best cbs of all time no. and he probably wasn't worth the 8 million. But he still gave a solid season. He was a sold citizen while on the team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Town Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Check out this interesting site about the Redskins drafts. http://www.hailredskins.com/drafthistoryarticle.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskns21 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Makes you think that we might just be okay without a GM. Or at least without Charlie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Norv was not fun.......Spurrier is:) losing Brad Johnson was hard, he was always a solid qb.....but now we've got Ramsey:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I think Jeff George was one of our biggest flops. I remember after the 1999 season we had a legitimate shot at going to the Superbowl in 2000. All the pieces were in place. We finally had a QB in Brad Johnson. He threw for over 4000 yards in 1999. Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith were brought in to stop the Rams "Greatest Show on Turf", but why Jeff George? Brad Johnson proved he had the tools to take us to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkatz Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Biggest flop: Synder firing Casserly in favor of Turner, thereby placing all personnell decisions in the hands of the ill-prepared Cerato and Synder, himself. Repercussions felt for 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfchamp1 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by Buddha Here's one not mentioned. Go back before Brad Johnson, Trent Green, Gus Frerotte, and Heath Shuler to when the team let a young Rich Gannon walk in favor of John Friesz. Yeah Buddha, but it took 10 years after the Skins let him go for Gannon to become a legitimate NFL quarterback. I don't know that we should have waited for him. I'd say Shula and Howard a close second, because of expectations. Andre Johnson was a monumental flop but we never really expected much from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Hiring Norv. B Johnson shouldnt have been traded for in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASMTrainer Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 This is so easy it's not even funny. Heath hands down. I was screaming at the TV on draft day, NOOO, Not Heath, NOOOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddha Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Originally posted by nfchamp1 Yeah Buddha, but it took 10 years after the Skins let him go for Gannon to become a legitimate NFL quarterback. I don't know that we should have waited for him. I'd say Shula and Howard a close second, because of expectations. Andre Johnson was a monumental flop but we never really expected much from him. Actually, check out his career stats... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=430 Gannon started the majority of the 1990-1992 seasons for the Vikings and didn't do too bad. The Skins got him for a steal in 1993, but he got caught up in the shuffle with Rypien and Conklin and wasn't re-signed for 1994. He actually had his breakout season in 1999 when he went to Oakland after rotting on the bench for 4 seasons in KC. Bottom line is that Norval wanted to choose his own QBs when he came in 1994 and for some reason had no interest at all in Gannon. Instead, he reached for a very mediocre (and nonthreatening) veteran in Friesz and rushed Heath in WAY before he was close to being ready. Had they kept Gannon along with Friesz, Heath may have had the luxury of learning on the bench for two or three seasons-- and may still be playing today. But I suppose back then, nobody had the patience to develop a high 1st round QB properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trevor Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Norv is the biggest flop. Deion wasn't really a flop as he played ok and didn't have a lot of long term negative effects like Turner. 2nd runner up would have to have been trading all those picks for Brad Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfchamp1 Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 Originally posted by Buddha Actually, check out his career stats... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=430 Gannon started the majority of the 1990-1992 seasons for the Vikings and didn't do too bad. The Skins got him for a steal in 1993, but he got caught up in the shuffle with Rypien and Conklin and wasn't re-signed for 1994. He actually had his breakout season in 1999 when he went to Oakland after rotting on the bench for 4 seasons in KC. Bottom line is that Norval wanted to choose his own QBs when he came in 1994 and for some reason had no interest at all in Gannon. Instead, he reached for a very mediocre (and nonthreatening) veteran in Friesz and rushed Heath in WAY before he was close to being ready. Had they kept Gannon along with Friesz, Heath may have had the luxury of learning on the bench for two or three seasons-- and may still be playing today. But I suppose back then, nobody had the patience to develop a high 1st round QB properly... Buddha, No can argue with sensei.:laugh: Gannon was not a flop but not even Sensei could envision him being the freak that he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandies Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 Originally posted by AJWatson3 shuler, but i would have to consider gilbert a very bad move, but since we got some great compensation he loses out.... brandies is God Geeze, this is great, you can edit other peoples posts if you go the quote scenerio. The worst flop. A certain play called by Richard Nixon in our first Superbowl. Wasn't it a 13 yard loss on a reverse to Roy Jefferson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I wouldn't vote vote him but i think westbrook deserves to be on the ballot. Also I agree with Buddha on Rich Gannon and we did at one point draft Keenan McCardell in the 12th round or so and let him wander off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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