vigilante Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I've read a couple articles claiming how good he looks in practice. I think we'll have a great offensive arsenal next season if he produces :logo: Does anyone else think we have a potential star in the making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Personally, I don't see how a backup TE could have a huge impact on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I like your thoughts about this but we always heard how damn good Taylor Jacobs was in practice and we see how that worked out. Unless Cooley gets hurt (knocks on wood) I dont see him getting in the line up a ton over our pro bowl tight end. The potential seems to be there but year after year of expecting big things out of players I hear having great practices I just kind of have given up on expecting things before the season starts. I have started to take a wait and see approach these days after being burned year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 In before "Don't sleep on Davis" jokes. Personally, I don't see how a backup TE could have a huge impact on a team. Because the WCO can use a 2 pass catching TE variant instead of a 3 WR with a slot as a package. Also, you can line Davis up at Split End. This of course is all contingent on Davis, as well as Kelly and Thomas, stepping up their game in year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJMountaineer Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 True about Jacobs...but, if i remmeber correctly, he had horrible work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobert Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Personally, I don't see how a backup TE could have a huge impact on a team. Let's give him a butter I.V. to pack on the pounds and put him on the offensive line!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Because WCO can use a 2 pass catching variant instead of a 3 WR with a slot as a package. Zorn mentioned 2 TE sets last year when we drafted Davis. I am hoping the reason we never saw that is because Davis was still learning and now that he has had a year to learn the playbook we can see that in action. As much as we hear about how good Davis is it would be retarded for us not to throw him and Cooley out there together. From all the talk of Davis it would be a deadly combo. But again I will believe it when I see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 In before "Don't sleep on Davis" jokes.Because the WCO can use a 2 pass catching TE variant instead of a 3 WR with a slot as a package. Also, you can line Davis up at Split End. This of course is all contingent on Davis, as well as Kelly and Thomas, stepping up their game in year 2. He could have an impact...but I don't think it will be a HUGE one. I can't think of a single backup TE in recent history that did so, regardless of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I've read a couple articles claiming how good he looks in practice. I think we'll have a great offensive arsenal next season if he produces :logo:Does anyone else think we have a potential star in the making? Lots of guys look great in practice and stink in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 He could have an impact...but I don't think it will be a HUGE one. I can't think of a single backup TE in recent history that did so, regardless of the system. I guess you don't remember the Patriots teams from 2002-2006 or the Cowboys with Fassano and Witten. WCO is about spreading the ball around to multiple receivers, be they FB, WR or TE. When everyone gets their heads around the playbook, it will be alot more obvious than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobert Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Lots of guys look great in practice and stink in games. See Taylor Jacobs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 And, then are lots of folks who look great in practice as well in the real game. One way to know for sure, put him in the game ... and, see what he can do. Enough of this speculation of what he can or cannot do. Let his actions on and off the field do the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 They said he looked great last off season. It doesnt matter how great he is if Zorn refuses to put him in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 It's ignorant to say that a 2nd TE can't have a huge impact. I can tell you this, if he looks to be one of our top 4 pass-catchers, he'll be out there much more often than a #3 WR! I actually prefer Thomas, Moss, Cooley, and Davis as a core lineup. I think it poses major match up issues for the defense (if Davis has improved and taken the next step). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Yes, he's faster and more athletic than Cooley. This could be his break out year. It's not up to him, it's up to the team if they USE him, on how much of a impact he will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I doubt he'll see the field that much with Cooley, but when he's on the field I think he has the talent to contribute. Should be fun year with our second year weapons now NFL ready, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutlead74 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 exibit 1:saber: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup's Uncle Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 In the red zone, he could be lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 In before "Don't sleep on Davis" jokes.Because the WCO can use a 2 pass catching TE variant instead of a 3 WR with a slot as a package. Also, you can line Davis up at Split End. This of course is all contingent on Davis, as well as Kelly and Thomas, stepping up their game in year 2. I think this is what could take Campbell and this offense to the next level of production, especially in the redzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Personally, I don't see how a backup TE could have a huge impact on a team. There is room for it in our offense. We can spell Cooley with him without losing anything, we can play two tight end sets, and we can play him in the slot or even out wide if we wanted to. Few teams in the league have as talented a pair of receiving tight ends, maybe the Cowboys but there aren't many others. The Giants might have a good set now too, and the Eagles will if Celek and Engram both pan out. We are seeing more and teams, especially within our division place an increased emphasis on the position in the draft, even when they already have proven starters. For once, I'm glad the Redskins are on the leading end of a trend. Perhaps the reason two tight end sets haven't been as prevalent in the NFL lately is because teams haven't had the personnel to run them well. And also remember, with an emphasis turning to rushing the passer and the rise in 3-4 defenses that use creative blitzing schemes, having two great tight ends allows you to get bigger and better at picking up the blitz on the field, rather than sticking with 3 wide or a fullback. You can make adjustments with your talented pass catching tight ends on either side, having one pick up the blitz and the other one run routes depending on what the defense is doing, and still have favorable match-ups either way. The tight end has come to replace the full-back and it's role in today's NFL because of the greater versatility of the position. And good tight ends are very hard to find--that's why there are only a handful of them. From the body type and athleticism, to the skill set (catching like a receiver, blocking like a lineman) they are rare players. We have the potential personnel to do a lot of things in the passing game, we just need to demonstrate the forward-thinking creativity to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I guess you don't remember the Patriots teams from 2002-2006 or the Cowboys with Fassano and Witten.WCO is about spreading the ball around to multiple receivers, be they FB, WR or TE. When everyone gets their heads around the playbook, it will be alot more obvious than it is now. Very true, I forgot about the Patriots before they lost Daniel Graham. I think they spent a first round pick on him and then another first rounder on Ben Watson two years later and they were able to get a lot out of both. That's probably why Tom Brady was able to flourish without great receivers even after their running game took a steep decline. The difference with us is that I think the Cooley/Davis combo has the potential to be even better than that combo, even if Tom Brady isn't our QB. I would love to see what we could do with them both if Davis realizes his vast potential. Imagine the jumbo sets we could run with them and Sellers. On the goal-line, we will be very tough to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Right off the top, I can think of five good ways to get Cooley and Davis on the field together. And, as much as I hate to admit this, Jim Zorn might know more about running an offense than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travdaskin Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I think Fred can be a monster against LB's, and I can't remember what Taylor did in college (if he did well??), but Fred actually performed in college, he was the Mackey (however it is spelled, I had a brain fart) award winner, they should use him some at FB, and some as a WR, he is very athletic, he was a WR in HS before going to USC, they told him to play TE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The main thing I envisioned with Davis is that he'd be great for a red zone offense, particularly when our strength is running the ball. Being able to put two TEs on the field who are a threat to catch the ball can be a pretty sizable advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I would bench ARE ... move Santana to the slot and use DThomas and FDavis as the X and Y receivers with Cooley playing H and RAgnone blocking. But what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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