zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hallelujah! Finally :point2sky: (I wish Fulmer the best, just not as Volunteers coach. This should have happened 4 years ago) ___________________________________________________ http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3679810 KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Phillip Fulmer, who a decade ago brought Tennessee its first national championship in 47 years, will not return as the Volunteers' coach next year, multiple sources told ESPN.com. An announcement is planned for Monday at 5 p.m. ET at Neyland Stadium. Fulmer, who has won 150 games at his alma mater and is the dean of SEC coaches, met with Tennessee officials Monday morning, and they reached a mutual agreement that it would be best for all parties if Fulmer did not return next season. The sides also agreed that the 58-year-old Fulmer would coach the remainder of the 2008 season, his 17th in Knoxville. He signed a new seven-year contract last summer that was worth $2.4 million this season. A buyout of the contract after this season would cost $6 million. The Vols (3-6, 1-5 SEC) have lost three of their past four games and are in danger of posting their second losing season in the past four years. "Anybody that likes Tennessee and cares about what the product looks like on the field is frustrated," Fulmer said Sunday night, according to The Tennessean. In the story posted on the Nashville newspaper's Web site, Fulmer told his coaches in a Sunday meeting to shield the players from their frustration. SEC "It's about our energy, the looks in our eyes, our demeanor and how we approach it in meetings and film sessions," Fulmer said about his coaching staff, according to the Tennessean. "We're professionals and we have and we will continue to be looking forward to playing." There had been increasing scrutiny on Fulmer, who took over full time on Nov. 29, 1992 and has been at his alma mater as a player, assistant coach and head coach for more than 30 years. The Vols won the national title in 1998 and were one of the top programs in all of college football in the 1990s, but the program hasn't been the same this decade. Tennessee has lost 31 games since the end of the 2001 season. Chris Low covers the SEC for ESPN.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoles11 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Lane Kiffen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 The SEC is so competitive they're going to need a big name, or someone with a helluva dynamic offensive/defensive philosophy. Whoever it will be will have to coach against Meyer, Spurrier, Saban, etc. I don't know if it is Lane Kiffin- I'm not sure he could compete against those guys. Recruiting will be 90% of it- what kind of recruiting experience does Kiffin have? (not a rhetorical question, genuinely curious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Lane Kiffen? tahts the initial thought from everyone on bspn. kiffin was under carroll long enough and is a good enough OC to get the job done. but the SEC is a whole different beast then the PAC10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doozinbrah Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Yeah I feel the same way. God love Fulmer and I hope the best for him. But, this needed to be changed 3-4 years ago. Its sad to see him go but this season has been dreadful. GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Recruiting will be key, especially in the SEC. But with the exception of Fulmer's national championship team, and Peyton's teams, Tennessee was never a real powerhouse. Their previous national championship was 47 years earlier. I expect that Tennessee will stay at the bottom of the SEC for the next few years under their next coach, and alot of people will then appreciate Fulmer more. Not that I'm a fan of his; it's just that I think that his replacement likely won't be any better, and that the expression "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it." is applicable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Recruiting will be key, especially in the SEC. But with the exception of Fulmer's national championship team, and Peyton's teams, Tennessee was never a real powerhouse. Their previous national championship was 47 years earlier. I expect that Tennessee will stay at the bottom of the SEC for the next few years under their next coach, and alot of people will then appreciate Fulmer more. Not that I'm a fan of his; it's just that I think that his replacement likely won't be any better, and that the expression "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it." is applicable here. Tennessee gets more fan support than any other SEC program. Check attendance records. With the resources available to the head coach, there's no reason in the world to put a product like what we've seen on the field. And TN has historically been a top-tier college football program. You need only look as far as the talent that has come out of the school. If you're measuring simply in terms of number of National Championships- well, I'm sorry that TN doesn't have the gift of playing in softball conferences like the Pac-10. They actually play real teams during the course of the year. Extremely difficult to string together a perfect season and make the title game. Hell, Spurrier was known as the greatest Coach in Florida history and he had 1 Nat'l title. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoles11 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 The SEC is so competitive they're going to need a big name, or someone with a helluva dynamic offensive/defensive philosophy.Whoever it will be will have to coach against Meyer, Spurrier, Saban, etc. I don't know if it is Lane Kiffin- I'm not sure he could compete against those guys. Recruiting will be 90% of it- what kind of recruiting experience does Kiffin have? (not a rhetorical question, genuinely curious) i'm not sure about Kiffin's recruting experience but the fact that he can be linked to USC (Pete Carrol) and the NFL (Raiders) I would think he has enough credentials to impress a bunch of 17 and 18 year old kids. or they may just go out and try to steal a coach, how happy is Spurrier at USC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 And China, I think we heard the same ridiculousness when Buzz Peterson got let go. Thankfully, Bruce Pearl didn't get the memo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 or they may just go out and try to steal a coach, how happy is Spurrier at USC? Spurrier is a native of the area, his family still lives here. Hmmmm.... (nah, he'd never do it, and TN fans would never allow it. At least I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Tennessee gets more fan support than any other SEC program. Check attendance records.With the resources available to the head coach, there's no reason in the world to put a product like what we've seen on the field. And TN has historically been a top-tier college football program. You need only look as far as the talent that has come out of the school. If you're measuring simply in terms of number of National Championships- well, I'm sorry that TN doesn't have the gift of playing in softball conferences like the Pac-10. They actually play real teams during the course of the year. Extremely difficult to string together a perfect season and make the title game. Hell, Spurrier was known as the greatest Coach in Florida history and he had 1 Nat'l title. ..... I never said they didn't have good fan support. After reading your post, I did a little research and found that Tennessee is second in the SEC with the most SEC titles. News to me. I guess I don't recall hearing much about Tennessee until Peyton Manning came along. Not sure why, but it just is. So I stand corrected on their being a historically top-tier team. But I stand by my statement that I don't think the coaching change will produce a huge improvement. As you yourself indicated, the SEC is tough. Somebody has to be in the bottom half. I think it is Tennessee's turn (much as Nebraska has been down in the dumps in recent years). It will be interesting to see who they choose as coach. I don't think lane Kiffen is the answer, just as Bill Callahan wasn't for Nebraska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 If Mike Leach continues to have Texas Tech playing at the level they are all season don't be shocked if he's the darkhorse canidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 But I stand by my statement that I don't think the coaching change will produce a huge improvement. As you yourself indicated, the SEC is tough. Somebody has to be in the bottom half. I think it is Tennessee's turn (much as Nebraska has been down in the dumps in recent years). It will be interesting to see who they choose as coach. I don't think lane Kiffen is the answer, just as Bill Callahan wasn't for Nebraska. I think folks around here can handle losing- (well, as well as any fanbase, lol) - but whats at issue here is just not being competitive whatsoever. Losing to UCLA :doh: The problem with Fulmer is that he's been running the same offense since 1996. Yah, it was effective then. Nowadays, its old and predictable. Teams love playing TN, they know there will be no surprises. So sure there is no guarantee that a new coach will be successful. But the amount of resources at his disposal will rival any program in the country. Ohio State, USC, Alabama, etc. - none of those programs would have any kind of competitive edge over TN just because of who they are. It's a premier college football program that produced some of the greatest players in NFL & CFB history. Whoever the coach is will have a tough schedule, sure- but he can never say he didn't have every resource/opportunity at his disposal. Fulmer has flat out stepped on his own :censored: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 If Mike Leach continues to have Texas Tech playing at the level they are all season don't be shocked if he's the darkhorse canidate Worked out for Florida going to the spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuckahoeSkin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Zoony, I had no idea you were a Vols fan. I've been following them since one of my best friends went there in the late '80's. Fulmer should have moved on a couple of years ago. That loss to Cal in the opener last year never should have happened. Good luck to him. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at UVA after they finally run Groh out of town. Hang in there Vols fans. By the way, my wife is from New Zealand and her very first football game was the UT-Bama game at Neyland four years ago. It was a 7:30 kickoff and she thought she might be able to do some shopping during the day. Little did she know that we meant business when we cracked the seal on a fifth of Maker's Mark at 9:30 in the morning. It kind of skewed her perspective on football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 They bring in too much talent to be where they are. I can't think of that one DB's name but he is a serious presence on the field and fun to watch. The one thing I've heard Vols fans complain about the most is Fulmer's stubbornness and unwillingness to hire outside the program. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent hire got them back on track sooner rather than later. Also ... damn newbs can't figure out which forum to post this in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 we meant business when we cracked the seal on a fifth of Maker's Mark at 9:30 in the morning. It kind of skewed her perspective on football. Nicely done! :applause: But Makers Mark at a UT game? For shame! Jack Daniels or local-cough-brew, FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Also ... damn newbs can't figure out which forum to post this in I didn't see any need to post this in the WVU-VT Piss Match forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Fulmer should have moved on a couple of years ago. That loss to Cal in the opener last year never should have happened. Good luck to him. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at UVA after they finally run Groh out of town. Oh please please let Fulmer coach at UVA. Pleaaaaaaaaaase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 If Mike Leach continues to have Texas Tech playing at the level they are all season don't be shocked if he's the darkhorse canidate He is much more than a darkhorse candidate, he will be one of the frontrunners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at UVA after they finally run Groh out of town. That would never happen. Fulmer with actual admissions and grade expectations? He would not be able to field a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthor99 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 He is much more than a darkhorse candidate, he will be one of the frontrunners. I agree, but sitting here today I think he's a darkhorse guy. As this drags on and Texas Tech continues to win he will be headed towards the top of that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 The names I am hearing are Brian Kelly, Leach, Will Muschamp and.....Gruden. I think Kelly and Muschamp would be really good fits, although they will have to fight with Clemson and Auburn for Muschamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Gruden? WTF, seriously? where are you hearing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Gruden? WTF, seriously? where are you hearing this? That has been bounced around for years...he coached at Tennessee, his wife is from there and he still has an affinity for the school and the area. I think he has a home somewhere around Knoxville. And they would pay him a boatload of money. Depending, and maybe regardless of the Buccaneers season, I think he may be the frontrunner. http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/fulmer-stepping-down-at-ut-gruden-rumors-already-started/ http://www.footballrumormill.com/tag/jon-gruden/ http://nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=63772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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