PCS Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Okay. Fine. When you going to start sharing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted April 28, 2003 Author Share Posted April 28, 2003 Youre welcome to come over and share some, Park City. itll be interesting to see if once you smoke a little if you have some actual opinions of your own or if you just keep making little drive-by comments. I'll bet after a few puffs you start thinking up your own cerrato conspiracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Originally posted by Skins26 Some of you people need to BACK OFF GIBRAN HANDAN! And for those who say we waste 7th round draft picks i dont consider Rock Cartwright a waste i consider him a damn good fullback. Another one added to the Blondie Christmas list. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Awwww. Touchy touchy Madder. That's okay though. . Fairly obvious you don't share. See, I actually have opinions of my own as opposed to that which are read out of Macfootball digest spiced up with some type of I'll make 'em think I know what I'm talking about attitude. All you have to do is read "and"comprehend. It's easy. Really. I mean it. I'm betting without a few puffs you'll realize that. Just say no. Oh As for conspiracy theories. Take a look at ASF's thread. Wait. too late. Already have haven't ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Those whining most loudly about our draft picks yesterday were being hugely insufferable to say the least. However, the complaints regarding today's pick seem more legitimate to me. Perhaps it's hindsight -- which we all know is always 20/20 -- that's driving my thinking on this (e.g. the knowledge that we ended up snagging Brad "I'm Infinitely More Intriguing a Prospect than Gibran 'Call Me Gibby' Hamdan" Banks as an [inexplicably] undrafted FA), but I just can't reconcile us not taking Groom in the 7th. It makes no sense to me at all. Even if Spurrier & Co. were high on Hamdan, it's not like Hamdan couldn't have been readily had as an undrafted FA. Nobody was beating down the guy's door or anything. To be frank, he was -- with apologies to Gibby -- a nobody. Yet Mr. Groom was certainly not a nobody, certainly not an unknown or unrecognized commodity. As I said, today's pick makes no sense to me... but if we end up signing Tom Tupa for the league minimum, I guess I'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 I agree 100% with Utah.... Spurrier saw something and thinks he can work with this kid and make a back up out of him over time. We aren't privvy to that, we didn't see the work out. We should all know how reliable the NFL draft and scouting is anyway... just like the Jim Rome commercial said, there actually was a debate over who the colts should draft, Manning or Leaf... even at the top of the draft, nothing is a sure thing, so to make such a fuss over a seventh round pick is crazy... Don Majkowski was a 7th (or 9th) round pick.. he turned out pretty damn good for the packers... I will side with Spurrier, if he liked the kid enough to draft him, I'm ok with that. Even if he never plays a down in the NFL... so what... Ramsey is our man anyway, the "Hamster" is just a potential back up or future trade bait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Observations: I noticed at least one guy who was ticked at this pick because he wasn't Simms. It's not this kid's fault that we didn't make the pick you wanted in the 3rd. I understand we didn't want to draft a QB who'd make Ramsey think he had competition. But, couldn't we have picked somebody who could challenge for #2? I really hope the "Hamster" label doesn't sitck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GURU Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 When it comes to picking QBs in the late rounds, I am a proponent of selecting a developmental guy who has legitimate NFL tools, but might need a lot of seasoning and coaching. It makes more sense, to me, than picking a former college star who just doesn't have the tools. Just look the history of guys like Danny Wuerffel, Joe Hamilton, Michael Bishop, Josh Heupel, Casey Weldon, Craig Erickson, Eric Zeier, Major Harris, etc. These were all dynamic college QBs, but were simply missing some neccesary tools to make it at the next level. They sit and fester at the #3 spot. And if they actually get a shot at playing, they only prove that, as suspected, they never did have the physical and/or mental tools, no matter how many intangibles they bring to the table. The best examples of developmental-type QBs I can think of are guys like Brad Johnson and Mark Brunell, who were stuck behind Casey Weldon and Billy Joe Holbert, respectively, in college. While Weldon and Holbert were very good college players with leadership ability and intangibles, Johnson and Brunell were better NFL players because they had the neccesary tools. Off the top of my head, some other guys who might fit this description: Rich Gannon, Tom Brady, Aaron Brooks, T.J. Rubley. And how about guys like Mark Rypien and Stan Humphries? To me, Gibran Handan could be that kind of player. Spurrier must have liked the way he responded to his coaching. And that's crucial. Throw out the college stats, because Johnson and Brunell didn't have much to show in that respect, too. Don't be too hasty to judge. We're talking about the 3rd quarterback slot, which SHOULD be a developmental position, in my opinion. At worst, Handan is a player who can be put on the practice squad. At best? See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catullus Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 There seems to be a WHOLE lot of hating on Gibran going around and I can't see why. The criticism seems to go on one of two lines: either we should have drafted a punter instead, or we should have taken a different QB. The different-QB advocates think we should have drafted somebody else. Brad Banks, Ken Dorsey...somebody. Well, firstly, we got Banks as a UDFA anyway. More importantly, we got exactly what we wanted in the 7th: a true developmental QB. Someone like Dorsey, who's been at a top college with intensive, specialised coaching, has probably come close to the limit of their ability. If the Miami weight program, which has got to be near the best in the country, can't raise Dorsey's arm strength, will an NFL one make that much difference? On the other hand, someone like Hamdan has the necessary physical tools, and Spurrier seems impressed with his mind; the knock on him is just that he's extremely raw. This, more than the others, is something that can be fixed by coaching. A QB's going to fall to the seventh for some reason like this; if he's got the tools, the mind and the big-program experience and success, then he's not going to fall here. So if you need to take a guy who only has some of these, I'll take the guy with the physical tools whose mind the team trusts any day. He can improve markedly. The others may not be able to do so. The draft-a-punter advocates seem to think that drafting Andy Groom would solve our punting woes next season. This doesn't seem right. Rookie punters get nervous. They shank. They play a lot like Craig Jarrett did last season. So what everybody does is bring in a bunch of UDFAs and veterans and let them fight it out. Now, drafting a punter only would have meant that Groom was definitely one of those guys fighting it out. There's no guarantee that he would have won the job. Even if, in the worst-case scenario, he would have, then, if there's a decent competition for the punting slot, we should only be giving up a yard or two, max. In return for this, we get a guaranteed shot at a guy the team has worked out and sees something in, something that they don't want other teams to get a hold of. We worked out both Hamdan and Groom; you can't accuse the scouts of acting blindly. They saw what each had to offer, and figured that what Hamdan offered was more important. (That said, after all that, they'd better bring some UDFAs in, or I'm going to feel moronic. Like InTooDeep-level moronic ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Skins Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Great post Catullus. Couldn't have put it better. And leaving aside the wounded pride on both sides Even Madder is right that a third string QB CANNOT hold (unless presumably the first and second string QBs are injured in which case he would be playing at quarterback!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Here's a nice shot of your boy Hamden. Note: Please ignore the Jets #4 overall draft pick, the enormous beast ripping the jersey off the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 flow- It looks like your boy is hanging on for dear life and that Hamdan got that pass off even with Robertson's fat bear claws dangerously approaching his crotch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabblerouser Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I think for most of us DL and punter proponents it comes down to filling or at least attempting to fill the more pressing need. What is more important to fill...a starting punter, depth of the DL with a young and hopefully promising player or a third string project quaterback? Groom was snatched up right away and we were supposedly trying to sign him after the draft ourselves. I have yet to hear anyone suggest anywhere that any team was just waiting to scoop Hambone. So IMO we could have drafted Groom and easily picked up the next Jay Schrader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 With this new and improved O-Line, even Rob Johnson might not get sacked. In Hammie's defense, the Indiana O-Line is probably what got Robertson drafted 4th. I hear teams run through the Indiana Offensive Line like Andy Reid runs through a buffet table. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabblerouser Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 That should be our next picture in need of a caption.:laugh: I'll start: Please...Please baby don't leave me. I'll change my jock after each and every game I promise. or Hammie, you're soooo big and strong. When do I get to see that oil well of yours back in Kuwait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Randy Thomas is going to eat Dwayne Robertson for breakfast Week 1. :stick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 He will indeed, Dirk, he will indeed! And if Randy wants a break, Derrick will play Hickory Dickory Dockery all over him! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2win Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Who's to say Handan would have signed with us as a free agent? Groom sure didn't. Spurrier worked out Handan must have had a a high enough opinion of himto lock him in by using our last pick on him. Obviously higher than Groom, Banks and anyone else out there. You guys are acting like our whole front office didn't do their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 I'll be interested to see how well RT holds up against Dewayne. Somehow #77 appears as a helpless bystander in the background of every sack photo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Cute Flo, but my guess is there were 4 other OL staring blankly in that direction as wel, some of whom might even still be with the Jets this season. Way to pull the topic off into some irrelevant tanget. I have to say, I almost never lose sleep over a seventh round pick. Maybe we notice this one more because we only had three on draft day, but if Spurrier saw something he liked, so much so that he didn't want to risk letting some other team pick him up as a UFA, that's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Congratulations, Flowtrain. Just visted your home board and found that many of your compadres there feel the same we do about you here. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Did someone mention "Gibby", my main man: Hamdan Hopes to Impress at First Mini-Camp 05/01/2003 By Jason Gould Editor, Redskins.com Quarterback Gibran Hamdan, who the Redskins selected with their seventh-round selection in last weekend's draft, didn't have the chance to start at Indiana until his fifth season. He backed up Antwaan Randle El, now with the Steelers, for three seasons. "I had to persevere through not playing, not being the number-one guy," Hamdan said Thursday at Redskin Park. "I had to go through some tough times in college. My work ethic and eagerness to learn are always going to be there." A willingness to learn is what stood out to Redskins head coach Steve Spurrier and quarterbacks coach Noah Brindise when Hamdan took part in a workout in early April. Brindise says Hamdan, a three-year starter at first base on Indiana's baseball team, has probably "one of the strongest arms" he's ever seen. "When we were able to meet him, we realized he's a really intelligent person," Brindise said. "But the arm strength is really what jumps out at you when you watch him on tape. We have the chance to mold him a little bit and turn him into what we want." Hamdan, 6-4, 219 pounds, will get his first chance to showcase his talent this weekend at the Redskins' first mini-camp. The team is scheduled to hold five practices at Redskin Park from Friday through Sunday. The mini-camp is not open to the public. Said Hamdan: "I hope to get comfortable here at Redskin Park and with my teammates. What's most important is getting the chance to get out on the field and begin to show why the Redskins selected me in the seventh round. Not necessarily to the media or coaching staff, but more to my teammates. I want to prove I belong here, and I want to show that I'm willing to work hard." A local product from Bishop O'Connell High School in Arlington, Virginia, Hamdan resides in North Potomac, Maryland. He graduated from Indiana last year but remained at the University for his fifth season of football. Hamdan started eight of 12 games at quarterback last season, completing 152-of-293 passes for 2,115 yards and nine touchdowns. "Anytime you get picked by the team you grew up watching, it’s a great honor," Hamdan said. "For me especially, it's great to be a part of the Washington Redskins, a team with such a wonderful tradition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiplomat Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by spanishomelette A willingness to learn is what stood out to Redskins head coach Steve Spurrier and quarterbacks coach Noah Brindise when Hamdan took part in a workout in early April. Brindise says Hamdan, a three-year starter at first base on Indiana's baseball team, has probably "one of the strongest arms" he's ever seen. "When we were able to meet him, we realized he's a really intelligent person," Brindise said. "But the arm strength is really what jumps out at you when you watch him on tape. We have the chance to mold him a little bit and turn him into what we want." Sounds like a solid pick. Hamdan, 6-4, 219 pounds Ramsey, 6-2, 217 pounds Both have strong arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by B&G Congratulations, Flowtrain. Just visted your home board and found that many of your compadres there feel the same we do about you here. Huh? What's your story bro? I don't think I've ever posted on this board without you telling me to "go back to NY and shut my piehole" or some other witty attack. If you don't like any perspective outside of those who root for exclusively for the Skins, or can't handle a little friendly visitor smack, then cruise on past my posts. Or if you've got an issue, let me know and we'll squash it. Otherwise step off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I don't mind intelligent posts from fans of other teams. Your views are always so mindless, Flowtrain. As for my previous post, it was referring to some of your fellow Jets fans feeling the same way about you as expressed on thegangreen.com. Shall I post some of the verbiage here or do you know what I'm talking about, you pinhead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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