Cooked Crack Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 McCain has said on numerous occasions that he would run an honorable campaign. No negative stuff. Well days from the election, has McCain kept his word? (Actually outdated seeing as McCain was went a whole lot negative) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'm surprised to see so few votes on this, and no replies so far. Perhaps this election really is a referendum on Obama, after all! In which case, why can't McCain close the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'm surprised to see so few votes on this, and no replies so far.Perhaps this election really is a referendum on Obama, after all! In which case, why can't McCain close the deal? How can you defend it? They said no negative campaigning and here they are going back on their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsBry Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 The only TV ads that I've seen for McCain are attack ads. None of his ads have told me why I should vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 How can you defend it? They said no negative campaigning and here they are going back on their word. I wasn't posting that seriously. The "Why can't McCain close the deal" question is far more compelling than the "Why can't Obama close the deal" question, given who each man is. Damn. Maybe I should be using more smileys around here these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheatorBeat Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Sarcasm is tough on the ole internets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I believe McCain is the only person NOT to bring race into this campaign. Cooked: Get a job and stop smoking: Every thought is not the start of a new post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 No, hasn't. Not remotely. And for once the candidate has been even worse than his surrogates. Bush used outside groups to "swiftboat" McCain approves this crap himself. I think this is a bigger ick than the "lie" about financing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 I believe McCain is the only person NOT to bring race into this campaign.Cooked: Get a job and stop smoking: Every thought is not the start of a new post. The thread is if McCain ran an honorable campaign not if he injected race into it. Also McCain's camp was pushing the whole race baiting mutilation story to the media before police knew anything. Notice how everything McCain said in the video he's gone against? Notice how he's hiring the same people who ran Bush's campaign to smear him? How can anyone say he's run an honorable campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 So your not really asking a question. Your pointing out he isn't in the form of a question. And will accept no alternative outside of your predefined thoughts. Can you give 5 Hardcore examples of not being honorable please. Try to keep the flimsy stuff to a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan328 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I believe McCain is the only person NOT to bring race into this campaign.Cooked: Get a job and stop smoking: Every thought is not the start of a new post. How true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 So your not really asking a question.Your pointing out he isn't in the form of a question. And will accept no alternative outside of your predefined thoughts. Can you give 5 Hardcore examples of not being honorable please. Try to keep the flimsy stuff to a minimum. I'm asking a question that no one on your side can seem to answer and back up. - Palling around with terrorist and all the wacky rallies he had - Obama wants to teach your kids about sex before they can read - - Lipstick on a pig. (McCain said he was going to run an issue based campaign) - A week where 100% of their ads were negative even though they promised no negative ads Oh you said hardcore. How about pushing a race baiting story were that girl lied about being attacked by a big scary black man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 The next time I see a McCain add that DOES NOT lie about Obama it will be the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'm asking a question that no one on your side can seem to answer and back up.- Palling around with terrorist and all the wacky rallies he had - Obama wants to teach your kids about sex before they can read - - Lipstick on a pig. (McCain said he was going to run an issue based campaign) - A week where 100% of their ads were negative even though they promised no negative ads Oh you said hardcore. How about pushing a race baiting story were that girl lied about being attacked by a big scary black man? 1: (What does this mean?) Nobody is allowed to ask about Obama's relationship with these people.. Seriously? (lame) 2: When Obama's campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had "moved to clarify" in his Senate campaign that he "does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . The legislation in question was a state Senate measure last year that aimed to update Illinois' sex education standards with 'medically accurate' information . . . 'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,' Obama said. 'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'" 3. Thats flimsy at best: Obama's crowd that he was talking to understood the reference. 5. Example of the adds that week: 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 So your not really asking a question.Your pointing out he isn't in the form of a question. And will accept no alternative outside of your predefined thoughts. Can you give 5 Hardcore examples of not being honorable please. Try to keep the flimsy stuff to a minimum. I could give you five this week.... Here are a few of McCain's/Palin's dishonorable false acusations over the last year which I can name off the top of my head.. Obama is an Elitest Obama is a Racist Obama isn't a Christian Obama isn't an American Obama is a Muslim Obama is a Socialist Obama is a Marxist Obama is a Communist Obama is a black insurgent trying to take money from whites to give to blacks. Obama hates Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 1: (What does this mean?) Nobody is allowed to ask about Obama's relationship with these people.. Seriously? (lame) What's lame is the board Obama and Ayers were on also featured several prominant Republicans. Ayers was also appointed by a prominant republican. What's lame is the double standard of trying to make something controvercial about this when nobody seemed to think it was controvercial the Republicans were running and also participating on this board. 2: When Obama's campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had "moved to clarify" in his Senate campaign that he "does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . Appropriate sex education for kindigarteners is to tell kids nobody should be touching them or making them feel uncomfortable; and if that happens tell your parrents, a teacher, or a policeman.. McCain made it sound like he was passing out condems to kindingartners. 3. Thats flimsy at best: Obama's crowd that he was talking to understood the reference. more double standards, It's hard to bash a guy for using the same cliche McCain has used against Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 $20 says McCain will publicly apologize for the way he ran his campaign by Innaguration Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 1: (What does this mean?) Nobody is allowed to ask about Obama's relationship with these people.. Seriously? (lame) Cooked Crack is very clearly talking about the McCain campaign's accusation that Obama was "palling around with terrorists." An accusation that was delivered by Sarah Palin on October 4th. If a person can't see the difference between "ask[ing] about Obama's relationship" and accusing him of "palling around with terrorists," then clearly they're the bull's-eye in that sad, fearful, incurious target demographic of McCain's dishonorable campaign tactics. Unless you think a political campaign is an opportunity to throw absolutely anything and everything at the other guy regardless of its credibility or (lack of) basis, there's really no defending that "palling around" line. And if you do think anything goes in presidential campaigning, then let's talk about the way McCain treated his first wife, his barely controllable hothead temper, his advanced age, his serious bouts with recurring cancer, his membership in the Keating Five, his own $500,000 connection to Rashid Khalidi, etc. Obama has made deliberate, endlessly repeated political hay of none of those issues... which is what a comparatively more honorable campaign looks like. (Clearly, Obama's honor was helped by polling that has shown him ahead for an overwhelming duration of the campaign, freeing him from the need for overwhelmingly negative campaigning like McCain used.) At least McCain drew the line at Rev Wright. You have to give him that much -- although it's a curious decision, given what he elected to crap up the airwaves with instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 $20 says McCain will publicly apologize for the way he ran his campaign by Innaguration Day. 20 bucks says that Obama never does, and that those on the left will never acknowledge he ran a dishonorable campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 No he has not. Unfortunately he's just like every other Republican. He used all the same bull**** tricks the GOP has been using for years. Lies and scare tactics. Token marketing campaigns. Ignorance personified. Nothing new here. Same old American politics. I wouldn't say Obama has been any better but McCain has dug his own hole. Too many damn sound bites he got caught with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 20 bucks says that Obama never does, and that those on the left will never acknowledge he ran a dishonorable campaign. In his defense, he never claimed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Appropriate sex education for kindigarteners is to tell kids nobody should be touching them or making them feel uncomfortable; and if that happens tell your parrents, a teacher, or a policeman..McCain made it sound like he was passing out condems to kindingartners. Then why not write a law that says that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 20 bucks says that Obama never does, and that those on the left will never acknowledge he ran a dishonorable campaign. Which is more dishonorable - attacking someone's policies and associating them with the current incumbent president, which has been the focus of the Obama campaign, or using multiple tactics to personally denigrate and destroy the candidate, such as the McCain campaign has attempted with Obama? Attacking someone's policies isn't nearly in the same league as character assassination. Yes, both sides have engaged in number fudging, but is, unfortunately, the characteristics of modern campaigning. (Not to say that is an admirable attribute, of course.) Obama's campaign hasn't nearly been in the same league as McCain, as far as dishonorable attacks are concerned. Accusing McCain of voting 90% with the president isn't nearly as bad as saying that Obama pals around with terrorists, doesn't see eye-to-eye with the rest of America, and is an anti-American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Also McCain's camp was pushing the whole race baiting mutilation story to the media before police knew anything. I'd like to see some support for this. (Whatever it is you're trying to say.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 I'd like to see some support for this. (Whatever it is you're trying to say.) John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established -- and even told reporters outright that the "B" carved into the victim's cheek stood for "Barack," according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions. John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson." http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php Even Brian Williams backs up the claim the McCain camp was steering the media to this story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHnjc0lRpL4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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