Heisenberg Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Not sure if this is already posted and I can't find the MMA thread or whatever - so feel to shut down if necessary. http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3655102 Wonder if Kimbo's "performance" sealed it's fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 the salaries they were paying and the cheesy WWE-like pregame sealed it for them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 the salaries they were paying and the cheesy WWE-like pregame sealed it for them.. Yeah, and the gay guy ko-ing Kimbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Doesn't surprise me at all. There were a bunch of clowns running that frickin' show, setting up dumb fights, and throwing out money left and right on frivilous stuff. I thought they were an embarrassment to MMA, so I'm glad the company and their stupid promoters are out of business. And THAT is how I really feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's already being discussed in the MMA thread, but the main points are this... Dana White needs to be on the horn signing up Gina Carano, Cyborg and all of the other fighters from Elite's women's divisons. And he also needs to start signing guys like Eddie Alvarez, Nick Diaz, Jake Shields and Antonio Silva. That is, if Showtime/CBS doesn't purchase the company in whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 wait 99, i thought dana said there was no way he would make a women's division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That was before Gina Carano was available...Dana is so much about the money that I wouldn't be surprised if he signed Kimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Just a horribly run organization. I thought they had the reach and the resources to at least compete with the UFC, but with terrible management and terrible decisions, they were heading to failure rather quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Haha, put all your eggs in Kimbo and when he gets sliced, your out of business. Good. That was a disgrace to MMA anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Affliction can pick them up if they aren't already dead. UFC monopoly continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dana will NEVER sign Kimbo, he is a joke and Dana knows that. Dana also said he isn interested in womens mma. I would LOVE to see more of Gina and def a Gina/Cyborg fight. I read somewhere that Jake Shields will more than likely get a contract from UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dana will NEVER sign Kimbo, he is a joke and Dana knows that. Dana also said he isn interested in womens mma. I would LOVE to see more of Gina and def a Gina/Cyborg fight. I read somewhere that Jake Shields will more than likely get a contract from UFC. Kimbo isn't a joke, but the way EliteXC marketed him was a joke. Also, Jake Shields can go and get his ass kicked by GSP and the other crop of welterweights that are better than him in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Dana will NEVER sign Kimbo, he is a joke and Dana knows that. Dana also said he isn interested in womens mma. I would LOVE to see more of Gina and def a Gina/Cyborg fight. I read somewhere that Jake Shields will more than likely get a contract from UFC. Joke or not, Dana would sign Kimbo. No one thought Brock Lesnar would have a shot at the UFC after one fight with a can. Kimbo Slice vs Chuck Liddell would sell so many PPVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovetoaster Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Joke or not, Dana would sign Kimbo. No one thought Brock Lesnar would have a shot at the UFC after one fight with a can. Kimbo Slice vs Chuck Liddell would sell so many PPVs. Lesnar is not Kimbo. Not even close. Lesnar has a tremendous amateur wrestling background. Kimbo beat up people in the backyard. Lesnar destroyed Heath Herring, a very good heavyweight that would have no trouble with Kimbo. I have no problem with Kimbo, I do with the way EliteXC marketed him. But Lesnar and Kimbo should not even be in the same conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Joke or not, Dana would sign Kimbo. No one thought Brock Lesnar would have a shot at the UFC after one fight with a can. Kimbo Slice vs Chuck Liddell would sell so many PPVs. Dana will not sign Kimbo. No way. Kimbo is awful in any aspect of MMA other than stand-up...and even in stand-up he sucks. Furthermore, Kimbo isn't even comparable to Lesnar...not even in some alternate insane reality. Whereas Kimbo was a YouTube street fight sensation (that's usually your first tipoff there that you don't sign a guy and market him as a major MMA force when he's only been in street fights), Lesnar was an extremely talented wrestler. I mean, he won the frickin NCAA wrestling championship in 2000...no one in their right mind can even compare Kimbo to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacky McSlackAss Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Joke or not, Dana would sign Kimbo. No one thought Brock Lesnar would have a shot at the UFC after one fight with a can. Kimbo Slice vs Chuck Liddell would sell so many PPVs. Slice vs Liddell would be a HORRIBLE matchup. Slice outweights Liddell by 30lbs ATLEAST. Not to mention I never want to see Kimbo in another MMA event again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Slice vs Liddell would be a HORRIBLE matchup. Slice outweights Liddell by 30lbs ATLEAST. Not to mention I never want to see Kimbo in another MMA event again. It's a matchup for PPV buys. Hell Slice vs Lesnar would do it too. Dana will not sign Kimbo. No way. Kimbo is awful in any aspect of MMA other than stand-up...and even in stand-up he sucks.Furthermore, Kimbo isn't even comparable to Lesnar...not even in some alternate insane reality. Whereas Kimbo was a YouTube street fight sensation (that's usually your first tipoff there that you don't sign a guy and market him as a major MMA force when he's only been in street fights), Lesnar was an extremely talented wrestler. I mean, he won the frickin NCAA wrestling championship in 2000...no one in their right mind can even compare Kimbo to that. Lesnar had wrestling skills but no one thought the UFC would sign him just after one fight. Dana is in the business of making money and Slice can still cough up a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Slice vs Liddell would be a HORRIBLE matchup. Slice outweights Liddell by 30lbs ATLEAST. Not to mention I never want to see Kimbo in another MMA event again. can you imagine Dana's reaction if Chuck led with his chin and Kimbo landed a perfect shot that put him down? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: it would never happen, but i think Dana would have a heart attack on the spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's a matchup for PPV buys. Hell Slice vs Lesnar would do it too. So are you wanting Kimbo in 205 or heavyweight??? Liddell and Lesnar are in different weight classes. Regardless, both those matchups would suck. They might get some ratings (from people who don't know anything about the sport or others just tuning in for the freak factor), but UFC would ultimately lose it's credibility for putting someone like Kimbo on its card. As far as Lesnar, you seriously have no clue what you are talking about. The guy has fantastic wrestling skills and has the potential to parlay those skills into adequate MMA jiu-jitsu capabilities. Plus, he throws bombs. He has a legit athletic background. Kimbo does not. Kimbo throws haymakers and has absolutely no ground game whatsoever. He'd be eaten alive by anyone who knows anything about effective ground game execution. People may call Dana White a lot of names, but stupid isn't one of them, that would just be stupid to sign Kimbo. Lesnar had wrestling skills but no one thought the UFC would sign him just after one fight. Dana is in the business of making money and Slice can still cough up a few bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 it would never happen, but i think Dana would have a heart attack on the spot He would look like Rashad does in your sig lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 So are you wanting Kimbo in 205 or heavyweight??? Liddell and Lesnar are in different weight classes. Regardless, both those matchups would suck. They might get some ratings (from people who don't know anything about the sport or others just tuning in for the freak factor), but UFC would ultimately lose it's credibility for putting someone like Kimbo on its card. I guess you're trying to put me in the don't know anything section. Liddell would obviously have to move up. He's already mentioned wanting to fight Kimbo on multiple occasions. Liddell would win but the point is PPV buys. That sells PPVs. The UFC isn't worried about losing their credibility. If they were they wouldn't have a 1-1 fighter fighting for a title. One Kimbo fight isn't going to make people stop watching UFC. What else are they going to watch? They are in the business of making money. If you people actually believe Dana White would be a man of principle then you're not paying attention. As far as Lesnar, you seriously have no clue what you are talking about. The guy has fantastic wrestling skills and has the potential to parlay those skills into adequate MMA jiu-jitsu capabilities. Plus, he throws bombs. He has a legit athletic background. Kimbo does not.Kimbo throws haymakers and has absolutely no ground game whatsoever. He'd be eaten alive by anyone who knows anything about effective ground game execution. I didn't call Lesnar a bum but I am pointing out how likes people who sells them PPVs. How many NCAA champs would get a shot like Lesnar have or get the same contract if he didn't bring in numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 How many NCAA champs would get a shot like Lesnar have or get the same contract if he didn't bring in numbers? They wouldn't unless they were a WWE star first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 They wouldn't unless they were a WWE star first. When is Bobby Lashley going to tear it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I guess you're trying to put me in the don't know anything section. Liddell would obviously have to move up. He's already mentioned wanting to fight Kimbo on multiple occasions. Liddell would win but the point is PPV buys. That sells PPVs. The UFC isn't worried about losing their credibility. If they were they wouldn't have a 1-1 fighter fighting for a title. One Kimbo fight isn't going to make people stop watching UFC. What else are they going to watch? They are in the business of making money. If you people actually believe Dana White would be a man of principle then you're not paying attention. I didn't call Lesnar a bum but I am pointing out how likes people who sells them PPVs. How many NCAA champs would get a shot like Lesnar have or get the same contract if he didn't bring in numbers? You obviously don't get it. Lesnar brings in numbers because he is freak-like BUT ALSO legit. Kimbo is not legit. Start signing non-legit fighters like Kimbo more and more, UFC is going to lose credibility with fans who actually know a few things about MMA. You might have an argument about Dana's principles, but he and the Fertitta brothers are not stupid and are focused on the success AND sustainability of their organization. You don't create a sustainable program by signing blatantly inept fighters and damaging your credibility. MMA is a booming market these days and creating credibility issues just opens the window for another well-run organization to swoop in and grab some of your target audience. Dana knows this. Fertitta brothers know this. This is why it would be stupid to sign someone like Kimbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 When is Bobby Lashley going to tear it up? he's supposed to be making his debut in the AFL pretty soon, if he does well there, i would expect Dana would try to sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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