Mark The Homer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Redskins are ranked 15th. Saints are ranked 21st. Sagarin's system thinks we're gonna win by six. http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/nflsend.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benskins26 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I don't know how this guy makes his rankings, but for anyone to rate the skins at 15 after that game, totally destroys any possible credibility. But it is nice to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 So what part of Washington DC is he from? 15? You got to be kidding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Umm, our defense held the superbowl champions to 16 points, scoreless in the second half. Middle of the pack is pretty perfect for us, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 This is where the cliche' "not as close as the score indicated" is important. I can see how statistically we could be placed as middle of the pack, but the Giants toyed with us in the second half and our offense did nothing, and our stats were inflated by the last drive (I use the word "inflated" liberally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Well, I suppose a lot of the data comes from the prior year. But, yes, like Jrock mentions above, the fact that we lost to the World Champions at their house wasn't some mind-numbing surprise. Having said that, I still think we're gonna fall in the rankings to the bottom third by the end of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=2 I would be more inclined to go with our ranking on this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilsu Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hopefully the first half was a fluke and our defense picks up where the second half left off, or at least manages to be average. I still have hope our offense can put it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=2I would be more inclined to go with our ranking on this article. Say what you will about Sagarin's rankings, but at least he has a mathematical formula behind his rankings. The ESPN rankings you posted are just some guy's opinion--no more valid than yours or mine. Granted, I'm surprised by the Sagarin ranking, but I'm not going to put any stock into the ESPN rankings which are nothing more than some joker's opinion. That's like using your co-worker's March Madness brackets to prove a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'll have to agree with ESPN... we don't need any more dress rehearsals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 We did hold manning to 1 td.... We did score when we opened it up... Zorn is learning clock mgmt (Coach Gibbs had to relearn..remember??) I think there is more hope than one loss can dictate..... 15 is probably close, we sure as hell aint as bad as the raiders,.,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purbeast Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=2I would be more inclined to go with our ranking on this article. I wouldn't considering they have the Giants in 5th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I wouldn't considering they have the Giants in 5th place. That's why I said "our" rating..lol I don't necessarily agree with all his choices, but our rating is on par with how we've preformed so far. It adjusts weekly based on how the teams play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 :doh: Guys... Sagarin actually has a system to rank these teams unlike ESPNs opinion polls. This ranking along with the Football Outsiders DVOA rankings are the only ones I look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSunday Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 How the hell does he figure this out???:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 :doh:Guys... Sagarin actually has a system to rank these teams unlike ESPNs opinion polls. This ranking along with the Football Outsiders DVOA rankings are the only ones I look at. Exactly. See my post (#9) above. It might be surprising to see us ranked that high, but at least there is a method to the madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Say what you will about Sagarin's rankings, but at least he has a mathematical formula behind his rankings. The ESPN rankings you posted are just some guy's opinion--no more valid than yours or mine. Granted, I'm surprised by the Sagarin ranking, but I'm not going to put any stock into the ESPN rankings which are nothing more than some joker's opinion. That's like using your co-worker's March Madness brackets to prove a point. Thank you! Exactly! You are correct. Listen to this man. We played the 4th ranked team away. That gives us the 2nd hardest schedule so far with only KC topping us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Exactly. See my post (#9) above. It might be surprising to see us ranked that high, but at least there is a method to the madness. While I agree, it is still a method that does not include actually watching football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMat184 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Its sad that the expectations around here are to be thrilled with being ranked #15.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Thank you! Exactly! You are correct. Listen to this man.We played the 4th ranked team away. That gives us the 2nd hardest schedule so far with only KC topping us. Yeah. And guess who had the 1st hardest schedule by the end of last season? Hint: It wasn't KC. While I agree, it is still a method that does not include actually watching football game. True. You can't guess outcomes by numbers alone. For example, this system has no idea Brady went down.How the hell does he figure this out???:doh: I've been studying it for five or six years. He uses two independent mathematical formulas and then combines them. One is called ELO_CHESS and the other is called PURE POINTS. The first is based on winning and losing only. The second is based on points only. In both cases, from what I can tell, the system assigns a number to each team in each of the two categories. That's how the rankings are ordered, and they are two columns of rankings. If you look, you can see we're 15th in ELO_CHESS but 17th in PURE POINTS. But at the same time, the point value change depends on the ranking of the opposing team. The "Rating" in purple is a combination of ELO_CHESS and PURE POINTS. You have to respect it in some sense because it's totally unbiased and unopinionated, even as it has its flaws. One cool thing is the "Rank" which tells you how tough your schedule has been. Our "Rank" was "1" by the end of last year. IIRC, the easiest NFC East team's schedule rank was "7" of 32 last year. And it's easy to see how the schedule rank works: We played the Giants who have a rating of 25.35 points (4th highest in the league). Add 3.2 points to that because we had to play them at their stadium - home field advantage. Add those two numbers and you have 28.55. That's the schedule rank. Do that for all 32 teams, then rank them in order. So we're ranked with the 3rd toughest schedule so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Brown #43 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 True. You can't guess outcomes by numbers alone. For example, this system has no idea Brady went down. The system also refuses to open the pod bay doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 While I agree, it is still a method that does not include actually watching football game. It's also a method which doesn't include emotion which is how a good number of people here form their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 For once this board has more hate and despair for the skins than most of the national media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Did Sagarin watch us play last week? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 for once this board has more hate and despair for the skins than most of the national media. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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