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chow184

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andre carter - 30 million contract. solid DE, not worth his contract.

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thats a very dumb thing to say

you put a 10 sack DE on the FA market and he'll make 50 million w/ 20 guaranteed. and Carter was actually above average/strong against the run in 2007.

if he has another 10 sack season he'll be a bargain.

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Brandon Lloyd Christmas

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thats a very dumb thing to say

you put a 10 sack DE on the FA market and he'll make 50 million w/ 20 guaranteed. and Carter was actually above average/strong against the run in 2007.

if he has another 10 sack season he'll be a bargain.

if you think carter is worth that much youre out of your mind. hes had double digit sack seasons twice in his 7 year career. and he hadnt had double digit sacks since 2002 when we signed him to that huge contract. hes not worth that much money.

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pjfootballer

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Why don't you look at the draft the last 5 years and tell me how many good WRs came out of it.Point is the FO thinks we need a WR and they don't think there's a good one in the draft.Lets not forget that Dallas and also the Eagles want a WR.Yet they are not looking for one in the draft either.So if the Skins want a WR they what one thats proven and I understand why.I me I would give up the 21st pick to get a proven WR any day of the week.On the other hand we could draft someone like M.Williams, C.Rogers, R.Williams, T.Williamson and so on.All in my opinion first round busts.There are more first round bust WRs in the NFL than first round gems.

Did I say anything in that quote about taking a WR at 21? Please re-read. All I was saying is to value the draft more than we have in the past, because when you do it right and get the right balance of Free Agents and Trades, you can build a good team. I don't care what we take, as long as we fill a hole, he's the BPA and we don't give up 2 picks for a 30 year old "Me" player.

And there are just as many success stories in the draft for WR's as there are busts. And yes, I have stated that I would give up ONE first round pick for a proven WR (Williams and Boldin, not CJ), but not potentially TWO. See the difference? :doh:

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gidoni13

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if you think carter is worth that much youre out of your mind. hes had double digit sack seasons twice in his 7 year career. and he hadnt had double digit sacks since 2002 when we signed him to that huge contract. hes not worth that much money.

Well, count me in as "out of my mind" then because anyone with double digit sack potential, who plays their best ball at the ends of games and towards the end of the season, to me is worth 5 for 30 and then some. I think if you look at the market on D-Linemen, Carter would get something like $55 mil with $25-30 guaranteed if he was a free agent this offseason. Believe me, no one around the league is laughing at that deal, and no one in our front office regrets it in the least. To try to prove your point, name me someone on the free agent market we could get for that same contract right now, and I promise you they are not the player that Carter is. You come off as a know-it-all when by now you should realize you're more of a knows-very-little-to-nothing.

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Brandon Lloyd Christmas

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Well, count me in as "out of my mind" then because anyone with double digit sack potential, who plays their best ball at the ends of games and towards the end of the season, to me is worth 5 for 30 and then some. I think if you look at the market on D-Linemen, Carter would get something like $55 mil with $25-30 guaranteed if he was a free agent this offseason. Believe me, no one around the league is laughing at that deal, and no one in our front office regrets it in the least. To try to prove your point, name me someone on the free agent market we could get for that same contract right now, and I promise you they are not the player that Carter is. You come off as a know-it-all when by now you should realize you're more of a knows-very-little-to-nothing.

jared allen, the leading pass rusher last season, and 2nd in sacks over the past 4 seasons, just got 31 mil guaranteed, and you think andre carter is worth 25-30 guaranteed? wow, im glad i know nothing. and the DE market is retarded, which is why its stupid to go out and buy one, again which is why we should draft one. the eagles/giants/cowboys are doing just fine with all their drafted pass rushers who produce more than carter.

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Lombardi's_kid_brother

Lombardi's_kid_brother

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Carter has not commanded a double-team once in his career.

I will say this: he has improved dramatically since we signed him. I thought he was a disaster for the first half of 2006. He is now an above-average lineman.

Still, a part of me thinks his destiny is to be the most feared third-down sack specialist in NFL history. Instead, he is trying to tackle Brandon Jacobs on 1st and 10.

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Brandon Lloyd Christmas

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Carter has not commanded a double-team once in his career.

I will say this: he has improved dramatically since we signed him. I thought he was a disaster for the first half of 2006. He is now an above-average lineman.

Still' date=' a part of me thinks his destiny is to be the most feared third-down sack specialist in NFL history. Instead, he is trying to tackle Brandon Jacobs on 1st and 10.[/quote']

agreed. i cant believe that dude thought he'd command 25-30 mil guaranteed. thats just a lolfest and a half.

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chow184

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if you think carter is worth that much youre out of your mind. hes had double digit sack seasons twice in his 7 year career. and he hadnt had double digit sacks since 2002 when we signed him to that huge contract. hes not worth that much money.

justin smith who has NEVER had a 10+ sack season in his career got a 6 year 45 million dollar contract with the 49ers and got 20 million guaranteed. and he's coming off his worst season in his career.

andre carter is coming a 10&1/2 sack season where he showed he could play the run also. and we signed him to a six year 30 mil contract with 10 mil guaranteed.

it's pretty easy to say if Carter was a FA this season he would have made alot more money than justin smith did.

yeah I'm out of my mind....seems like you aren't using your mind....

at this point carter is relatively cheap,if you tried to pick up a DE with 10 sacks on the FA market your going to pay 50 mil & 20 mil guaranteed AT THE LEAST!

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Smurf85

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]']Braylon Edwards

Larry Fitzgerald

Roddy White

Dwayne Bowe

Calvin Johnson (stats were decent' date=' but the potential is there)

That list would be a lot longer if you said active former-1st Rounders, and how many of them were good, because then you could just go to NFL.com and look at the stats for WRs with most yards receiving in 2007, because that list is cluttered with former 1st rounders

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Roddy White is a bust and Dwaybe Bowe and Calvin Johnson have only been in the league for a year.So you can't say anything about them right now.I will give you Larry out of that list.

Roddy White has 9 TDs in three years.You can get someone like that in the late rounds instead of the first.

http://www.nfl.com/players/roddywhite/profile?id=WHI472686

]']

By R.Williams' date=' I'm assuming you mean Roy Williams, who is not a bust by any means.

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Reggie Williams(Jags)

http://www.nfl.com/players/reggiewilliams/profile?id=WIL481044

]']

Thats true for EVERY position. QB' date=' OL, DL, K, P, WR, DB, LB, All of them.[/quote']

True but there are always strong positions in each draft and WRs aren't strong in this one.

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Smurf85

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he meant reggie williams, the bust that scored 10 TDs last year.

and heres all the receivers taken in the first round since 2003:

2003

charles rogers=Bust

andre johnson=Good

bryant johnson=Bust

2004

larry fitzgerald=Good

roy williams=Needs to get out of Detroit

reggie williams=Not sure yet

lee evans=Good

michael clayton=Bust

michael jenkins=Bust

rashaun woods=Bust

2005

braylon edwards=Good

troy williamson=Bust

mike williams=Bust

matt jones=Bust

mark clayton=Bust

roddy white=Bust

2006

santonio holmes=Good

2007

calvin johnson

ted ginn jr

dwayne bowe To soon to tell on this group.

robert meachum

craig davis

anthony gonzalez

One good year out of 4 doesn't make you good.We will see what Reggie does next year and than come back to him.

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Brandon Lloyd Christmas

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justin smith who has NEVER had a 10+ sack season in his career got a 6 year 45 million dollar contract with the 49ers and got 20 million guaranteed. and he's coming off his worst season in his career.

andre carter is coming a 10&1/2 sack season where he showed he could play the run also. and we signed him to a six year 30 mil contract with 10 mil guaranteed.

it's pretty easy to say if Carter was a FA this season he would have made alot more money than justin smith did.

yeah I'm out of my mind....seems like you aren't using your mind....

at this point carter is relatively cheap,if you tried to pick up a DE with 10 sacks on the FA market your going to pay 50 mil & 20 mil guaranteed AT THE LEAST!

and we all know they overpaid for him. plus, hes not a pass rushing DE, he weighs close to 280, and hes not going to play 4-3 end anymore. they signed him to be a DE in a 3-4 scheme, which he'll probably do much better at. but justin smith definitely got more than hes worth. and again, smith is a bigger name than carter, and got 20 guaranteed, not 30, which is a big difference.

regardless, i still think we overpaid for carter.

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wbar3383

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I love threads like these...... My buddies dentist worked on the teeth of Jim Zorn's gardener, and he said that he heard from his mailman that Roy Williams is coming to town.

Draft Day trade, Woo-hoo!!!!!!

Dude, seriously, just shut up.

Theres been plenty of inside scoops on this board.

Dont be an asshat.

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and we all know they overpaid for him. plus, hes not a pass rushing DE, he weighs close to 280, and hes not going to play 4-3 end anymore. they signed him to be a DE in a 3-4 scheme, which he'll probably do much better at. but justin smith definitely got more than hes worth. and again, smith is a bigger name than carter, and got 20 guaranteed, not 30, which is a big difference.

regardless, i still think we overpaid for carter.

No way we overpaid. Carter is now a good deal. 10+ sack DE's dont grow on trees.

The money is a good deal when you compare it to all the other contracts out there with their production.

You always come up with some screwy logic dude. Definately glad your not in the front office. :D

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erock353

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I've heard rumor that we are giving up a 2nd and 3rd for him. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Could it be? 2nd and 3rd for Taylor; 1st and 1st (2009) for Johnson?

God I hope not.

Oh my god! I never thought of this scenario, I would loose my cookies if this happens! The sad thing is we have so done this before. If so, it better work.

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erock353

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This draft class doesn't have many impact players, IMO. But, it does have some great athletes who if groomed properly will make some fine ball players. With that being said I think losing a 1st rounder for a Johnson/Boldin trade will step up our team tremendously. I just don't believe Johnson is going to come into our locker room with all that trash, and our guys no tone it down. We have good leaders on our team. As with Jason Taylor, I think a 1st rounder is a little much, we could select a DE in that spot and enjoy the youth.

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Roddy White is a bust and Dwaybe Bowe and Calvin Johnson have only been in the league for a year.So you can't say anything about them right now.I will give you Larry out of that list.

Roddy White has 9 TDs in three years.You can get someone like that in the late rounds instead of the first.

http://www.nfl.com/players/roddywhite/profile?id=WHI472686

Reggie Williams(Jags)

http://www.nfl.com/players/reggiewilliams/profile?id=WIL481044

True but there are always strong positions in each draft and WRs aren't strong in this one.

Roddy White is a bust? 3rd year in the league, which is usually when the light comes on, he has a 1200 yard season with Redman and Harrington (and Leftwich) throwing to him.

I wouldn't put him in Canton but he's not anywhere near the bust category.

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CapitalDefense

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I know these types of threads are usually **** canned but whatever, I just thought I'd share with you guys.

My buddy was golfing with one of the members of the Redskins medical staff and he told him that a big name player came in for a physical and a draft day trade will be made...he could not tell him the players name though.

Now take this for what its worth (which is not much) but I thought I would just pass that along...the most obvious name which comes to mind is Chad Johnson of course but who knows the guy may have just been messing with him.

Yep its **** canned, keep these thoughts to yourself please!

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