RedskinzOwnU Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaGibbskin Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 OH BOY!!! it's back to our days of getting a new head coach every year becuase we go 5-11...NOT VERY GOOD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANT Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 This is an utter joke!! Folks today, 1/22/2008 the Washington Redskins have taken a HUUUUUUUGE step backwards. Now being the prime time for Snyder to hire a GM and get things in order he promotes this guy to run everything, this guy knows nothing about football and his personel choices have been terrible. Now granted I agree that it was time for Gibbs to go but one thing he did was draft well, see, Taylor, Cooley, JC, Rocky etc... He knew you had to build through the draft.. Granted IMO the day to day ops of the game were to much for him.. But folks, with Vinny running the show now its back to the Bruce Smiths, Deion Sanders and the Redskins beign the laughing stock of the NFL :doh: :doh: http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsDave Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 He must be one helluva racquetball player...... Congratulations to Dallas, New York and Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonHillSkinsFan89 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Why did I just fall out laughing behind this one. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I was willing to give Vinny the benefit of the doubt until I read that he "doesn't believe in drafting defensive linemen in the first round" .... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I really think you guys rag on him to much. he hasn't done that bad of a job here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan4ever Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I don't think it will make much difference one way or another. Now that Gibbs is gone, they all are Danny's puppets again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I'm not sure, but this may be a sign of the apocalypse...someone should check on that. Oh, and since someone posted this a few moments ago prepare yourself for the "NNT! posts" to follow. I believe that is the protocol. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Prepare to be merged! http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234593 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 And the award for Extremeskins Drama Queen goes to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCO Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Well. So much for 4 years of respectability. Everyone, lift your glasses, and kiss any sort of rhyme, reason, or momentum good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins Seventy Chip Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 We will become the laughing stock of the league (again). Joe Gibbs' work for the last four years will get wiped out within a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCO Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 And the award for Extremeskins Drama Queen goes to..... Could we get that over Vinny and Dan's love shack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 If he proceeds to kick me in the nuts by hiring Fassel, I'm done. He's dead to me. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Laughing with you not at you. It is either laugh or cry :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANT Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Mods, I apologize for starting this thread, it's my fault for not seeing the stickied post up top... I read often but dont post too much... ill take the punishment like a man.. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suze109 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Prepare to be merged!http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234593 You mean the very first thread at the top of the page that says "READ ME" next to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I was willing to give Vinny the benefit of the doubt until I read that he "doesn't believe in drafting defensive linemen in the first round" .... :doh: Are you serious Gfunk?? GD it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 But folks, with Vinny running the show now its back to the Bruce Smiths, Deion Sanders and the Redskins beign the laughing stock of the NFL :doh: :doh: This is Cerrato's response http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002181_2.html Biggest regret? Probably in 2000, signing all those older guys," Cerrato said. "I learned you can't put a lot of signing bonuses on veteran players 'cause they're not going to play out those years. That was a mistake I made and learned from. Bruce Smith, Deion and Mark Carrier were the big ones. "Now, we try to avoid dead money, money that counts against your cap and doesn't go to anybody." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERDOME Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 This is Cerrato's responsehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002181_2.html Hopefully he's learned from it. We have been doin good with the draft and FA the past couple years with the exception of Lloyd and AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 maybe the reason Vinny and williams don't get along is because vinny believes in a front 4 pass rush; while gregg doesn't...remember williams asseinine comment about the secondary covering long enough to help the d-line....that's a backwards philosophy...the pass rush helps the secondary, not vice versa....just watch the playoffs. and for those who talk about our top 10 defenses....in his 4 years here, we've probably forced the fewest amount of turnovers of any team in the league....so the stats might look good, but the defense did very little to help the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark84 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 And the nightmare continues. Must be nice to have more misses than hits, and get a promotion. I agree. What does it say that if this guy was ever fired or let go again, that NO TEAM would even hire him as a scout. It is sad he has so much say in who will lead the Redskins next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 This is from 2000, but it still sounds right today: http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_2000/dickey_122600.asp Redskins doomed with Snyder making football decisions By Glenn Dickey As published in print Dec. 26, 2000 It’s a delicious coincidence that Peter Angelos and Daniel Snyder operate professional sports franchises in adjacent geographical areas because they share the same misguided view of how to make a team a winner. Angelos has poured money into obtaining veteran free agents for his Baltimore Orioles in the last three years and has succeeded only in putting together teams that have no chemistry and thus, are less than the sum of their parts. The Orioles have finished below .500 in each of the last three years. Snyder poured money into obtaining veteran free agents for his Washington Redskins this year, pushing the Redskins’ payroll to the highest in the league and creating salary-cap problems that will dog the team for years. His reward? An underachieving team that missed the playoffs. Since no owner, least of all Snyder, is going to blame himself, the fall guy for the Redskins’ demise was former head coach Norv Turner, who was fired when the team fell to 7-6. But when the team lost its first two games under interim coach Terry Robiskie — the first an embarrassing rout by the weak Cowboys — it was obvious the team’s problems neither started nor ended with the coach. At the very minimum, a successful NFL franchise must have a general manager who can make the right personnel decisions, a coach who can get the most out of his players and a quarterback who can lead the team. The Redskins have none of those, and that all goes back to Snyder. The Redskins had a respected general manager, Charley Casserly, whose astute moves set the ’Skins up to get the second and third picks in the last draft. But Snyder didn’t like Casserly, so he fired him and hired Vinny Cerrato, who had undermined the San Francisco 49ers as their player personnel director. The salary cap gets the blame for most of the 49ers’ problems, but an equal problem was their poor drafting during Cerrato’s time, highlighted (lowlighted?) by his push for QB Jim Druckenmiller in the first round of the 1997 draft. The slow-moving and slow-thinking Druckenmiller was woefully unsuited for the 49ers’ offensive system and was dumped by the team before the start of the ’99 season. Cerrato can’t be blamed for what’s happened to the Redskins this season because the offseason moves were largely orchestrated by Snyder. Like a kid in a toy store, he went through picking free agents off the shelves, picking up players with great résumés but not much left in their tanks. As the older players tired, the Redskins played poorly down the stretch. Snyder inherited Turner as his coach, and Turner has a reputation as a great offensive coordinator but a poor motivator. If Snyder had waited until the end of the season and then removed Turner, it would have been just another coaching change. But the owner’s visible interference during the season and the in-season firing of Turner will make it difficult, perhaps even impossible, to hire a coach of any reputation. And what tells you all you need to know about Snyder’s judgment is that he thinks Jeff George is a better choice at quarterback than Brad Johnson. Turner had preferred Johnson, but Snyder told Robiskie to play George, so Johnson will leave at the end of the season. George is as pure a passer as you’ll ever see. He can throw every kind of pass, and he has the arm and accuracy to hit a receiver in stride 50 yards downfield. There’s only one thing wrong with George: His teams almost never win anything. In 11 seasons with five different teams, he’s played on only two playoff teams — in ’95 with Atlanta and last season with Minnesota. Though George played well for the Vikings, head coach Dennis Green dumped him after the season and went with the then-untested Daunte Culpepper. George doesn’t connect with his teammates, so he can’t be a leader. He doesn’t even think that should be his role, as he told me explicitly in an interview when he was quarterbacking the Raiders. So this is going to be the Redskins’ quarterback? Good luck. The chief problem, though, continues to be Snyder. As long as he pokes his head into every aspect of the operation, instead of finding competent people and letting them do the job, the Redskins will not be winners. This is a hard point for owners to understand, especially when they first take over. When the battle between the DeBartolos ended with Denise DeBartolo York in control of the 49ers, her husband, John York, wanted to get heavily involved in the operation. He told me that he thought head coach Steve Mariucci should work more through his assistant coaches and do less hands-on coaching. But after a time, York realized he should let Mariucci and general manager Bill Walsh do their jobs, and the 49ers have been better off for it. The Cowboys should be so lucky. Since Jimmy Johnson left, owner Jerry Jones has been heavily involved in the operation. Johnson made the draft decisions when he was there, and they were brilliant. Since his departure, Jones has hired coaches who know their place, which is not in making personnel moves. That’s Jones’ department, and it’s not coincidental that the Cowboys have gone downhill the last few years. The only NFL owner with the football background to make decisions is Al Davis of the Raiders. Football is Davis’s life, and he did a great job of building the Raiders into one of the league’s great franchises. But in the last 15 years, Davis has had problems adjusting to the changing times, and it was not until he relinquished some of his control that the Raiders were rejuvenated, under head coach Jon Gruden. Owners are usually successful businessmen who delegate authority in their other ventures. But sports is a field in which everybody thinks they’re an expert, and it takes a wise man to realize he doesn’t have the knowledge to make the right decisions. Jerry Jones doesn’t have that wisdom, and Daniel Snyder certainly doesn’t have it. Until Snyder acquires it, or sells the club, Redskins fans are doomed to disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I have been in the server room pretty much all day today - I should have stayed in the server room!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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