jgbkabkab Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 take a gander: heres all QB "busts" from the 1st round from 2000-2005, and how much "patience" they got:David Carr (2002): 75 starts, 22-53 record Joey Harrington (2002): 55 starts, 18-37 record Patrick Ramsey (2002): 23 starts, 9-14 record Byron Leftwich (2003): 44 starts, 24-20 record Kyle Boler (2003): 42 starts, 20-22 record Rex Grossman (2003): 31 starts, 19-12 record JP Losman (2004): 33 starts, 10-23 record Alex Smith (2005): 35 starts, 13-22 record Jason Campbell (2005): 46 starts, 18-28 record only two guys got more starts than campbell did, harrington and carr, both were abysmal failures. campbell will end up with 51 starts and a record close to joey harrington. yet this is the guy some of you want to keep around and build around? thats not even funny. I never advocated building around JC. That's your hate thinking that because I defend him that I think he is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Not to mention that Harrington got his starts in 2-3 different cities (unless you just pulled his stats with Detroit). thats just with detroit. i only did guys on their original teams. they let him hang around for awhile. i guess they figured starting harrington ensured them a top 3 draft pick? maybe thats what vinny is trying to do? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I never advocated building around JC. That's your hate thinking that because I defend him that I think he is the answer. so, youre saying: we shouldnt build around him. hes not the answer is this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbkabkab Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 since 2005: our record when campbell starts: 18-28 our record when someone else starts: 17-12 Who is "someone else?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Who is "someone else?" brunell or collins = someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbkabkab Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 so, youre saying:we shouldnt build around him. hes not the answer is this right? I'm saying that he is not the main/only problem and that we don't know what he can do because the rest of the offense sucks too. The only person that gave 110 percent game in and game out (Cooley) regularly got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'm saying that he is not the main/only problem and that we don't know what he can do because the rest of the offense sucks too. The only person that gave 110 percent game in and game out (Cooley) regularly got the ball. so after 46 starts, you still dont know what campbell is capable of? were going on half a decade and you still think there might be an NFL QB in there? he'll never be in a perfect situation. no QB ever is. its impossible to have a perfect situation on either side of the ball. campbell has been given so many weapons, so much time, so much coaching, and he still sucks. if you cant see that by now, youre just refusing to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Letting teams hang around is on the coaches as well as the players. The Redskins are notorious for getting leads and then running the ball to try to outlast their opponent. Only with Campbell. Since he has been on the team: Campell: 2 for 47 winning by more than 1 score. 4.25% of the time Brunell: 6 for 24 winning by more than 1 score. 25% of the time. Collins: 3 for 3 winning by more than 1 score.100% of the time. The only one notorious is JC. Scoring over 30 is similar: Campell: 2 for 47 scoring over 30. 4.25% of the time. (including a safety and pick 6 against Detroit to put it over 30) Brunell: 7 for 24 scoring over 30. 29.17% of the time. Collins: 1 for 3 scoring over 30. 33.33% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickclone Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Where do you guys get this five year crap from? He didn't start until 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Where do you guys get this five year crap from? He didn't start until 06. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Last year people posted where do you get this 4 year crap from? The year before people posted where do you get this 3year crap from? and so on. Does it matter? Not in the least. He has not improved with each year in terms of wins. He is the same loser he was in 2006. Around a .400 losing percentage. An extra year in the games or on the bench make no difference. He is always the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickclone Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:Last year people posted where do you get this 4 year crap from? The year before people posted where do you get this 3year crap from? and so on. Does it matter? Not in the least. He has not improved with each year in terms of wins. He is the same loser he was in 2006. Around a .400 losing percentage. An extra year in the games or on the bench make no difference. He is always the same. Of course it matters, if people can't even get that right about him, what makes them so right about everything else? Hell, why not make it six or seven years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Of course it matters, if people can't even get that right about him, what makes them so right about everything else? Hell, why not make it six or seven years? Anyone taking that long to determine Jason Campbell is not a winning QB needs to be taken out behind a shed and Old Yeller'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Of course it matters, if people can't even get that right about him, what makes them so right about everything else? Hell, why not make it six or seven years? 7-12 his first 19 games. 5-14 his last 19 games. Pretty much the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 7-12 his first 19 games.5-14 his last 19 games. Pretty much the same Anyone taking that long to determine Jason Campbell is not a winning QB needs to be taken out behind a shed and Old Yeller'd. guys, remember that hes a rookie every year because one thing changes that sends him back to 0. new coach, new system, new kick returner, new pair of shoes, new mustache comb, etc. all of these things are variables that set the clock back for campbell. i am eagerly awaiting his first start this weekend to see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Campbell must go. Its amazing the folks trying to use the last two games as proof that Campbell is improving. LOL. Did he play better in the second Philly game than the first? Yeah, that's not saying much. He has four good games a year. I'm not sure last week qualifies as good. Just not his typical level of suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Aaron Rodgers was drafted at #24 in 2005. He didn't play at all until Brett Favre 'retired' before 2008. Campbell was drafted in 2005 and saw action starting in 2006. I think it's fair to say that while Campbell has not had the supporting cast that Drew Brees has, he has at least had the chance to show some playmaking ability and potential of what he could be with upgrades elsewhere. Instead, Campbell has shown to be what he was almost from the start. A guy that can run a conservative run first attack with the threat of the occasional deep ball if given good protection. He does not read defenses well enough to be in a pass-first offense. He doesn't throw the short and intermediate passes well enough to drive a team 60-70 yards consistently for a TD. Meanwhile, Rodgers gets on the field and after a little experience lights it up. The bottom line here is talent. Rodgers was supposed to be neck and neck with Alex Smith in 2005 but fell out of favor on draft day and the Packers got a steal at #24. The Redskins on the other hand moved UP in the draft to take Campbell with a #1 pick when most GMs had him rated as a second or third round player. Typical Redskins move in the 2000's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Aaron Rodgers was drafted at #24 in 2005. He didn't play at all until Brett Favre 'retired' before 2008. Campbell was drafted in 2005 and saw action starting in 2006.I think it's fair to say that while Campbell has not had the supporting cast that Drew Brees has, he has at least had the chance to show some playmaking ability and potential of what he could be with upgrades elsewhere. Instead, Campbell has shown to be what he was almost from the start. A guy that can run a conservative run first attack with the threat of the occasional deep ball if given good protection. He does not read defenses well enough to be in a pass-first offense. He doesn't throw the short and intermediate passes well enough to drive a team 60-70 yards consistently for a TD. Meanwhile, Rodgers gets on the field and after a little experience lights it up. The bottom line here is talent. Rodgers was supposed to be neck and neck with Alex Smith in 2005 but fell out of favor on draft day and the Packers got a steal at #24. The Redskins on the other hand moved UP in the draft to take Campbell with a #1 pick when most GMs had him rated as a second or third round player. Typical Redskins move in the 2000's. gibbs liked his character and his arm. hes a nice "gee golly oh shucks" kinda guy with a big heart, a cannon for an arm and gibbs figured if he built up a ridiculous run game and a good defense, we could take the pressure off campbell and place it elsewhere. he was wrong, and we still havent moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ...new mustache comb... Same fantastic 'stache, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Same fantastic 'stache, though. Watch him shave it and become an all-pro somewhere. Bizzarro Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobiemiles Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 our lack or patients, quick knee jerk reactions when we mess up, are the reasons we are not talking playoff football, and I hate Redskins fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 our lack or patients, quick knee jerk reactions when we mess up, are the reasons we are not talking playoff football, and I hate Redskins fans. At least we can no longer be viewed as the smartest fans in the NFL. That much is pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Same fantastic 'stache, though. "Hello? Is it meee you're looking for??" - a pass completed past 30 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&G808 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 "Hello? Is it meee you're looking for??"- a pass completed past 30 yards Unfortunately, any thing past 5 YDS is not in JC's arsenal! But damn it looks good on those 3RD down stats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 "Hello? Is it meee you're looking for??"- a pass completed past 30 yards Oh, ****... :hysterical: I could see Moss in the huddle singing that after chucking a pass 10 feet over his head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allannis Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 C'mon he just needs a little more time ,then he'll be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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