RedskinzOwnU Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Coming in the 4th Quarter, you have every right to be furious with the players. Moss blew the game by giving the packers 7 free points, which is a lot more than the margin of victory, and there were plenty of drops/fumbles to go around on other players. There were more dropped 3rd down conversions than I can even remember, and that changed the face of the game right there. But, even after all this, the game was STILL winnable. In the 4th Quarter, we saw terrible coaching, terrible play calling, and terrible TIME MANAGEMENT. I honestly have no idea what Gibbs is doing out there but apparently his thinking is so 1-dimensional that he doesn't even consider what he wants to do on the NEXT play given various outcomes. This is a huge problem. Too many bad run plays called. A terrible wasted time out, a terrible call on 4th down where Betts is the 1st option on a route that has been consistently UNSUCCESSFUL for us all season long (including the goalline pass to Sellers in the Giants game). This game has crystallized what has been quite apparent to some of us for a very long time. Jason Campbell is our best player on offense. This isn't a running team. Yea, I'm looking at you Gibbs. You can blame our O-line injuries, you can blame our backs, you can blame whoever you want. It doesn't matter why - the bottom line is our running game is our weakness. We have a lot of good receivers. We unfortunately don't have a great one. The one we thought might be great - Moss- clearly is not. Get them on the field, and get a bunch of them on the field. No one receiver consistently gets open, but we can always someone open when we spread it out. Use the pass to set up the run. Oh, and it's becoming sadly apparent that McCardell is our most reliable and aware receiver. Maybe start using him more? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Agree We go as JC goes. Everyone else let him down today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I've been very critical of Gibbs, but I put this loss on Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I disagree. 1-3 on players, 4th on injuries and PLAYERS. Campbell overthrew Lloyd on what was a sure TD. Game was probably over at that point. Campbell has held the ball a split second too long multiple times and gotten sacked. Some of that is on the o-line injuries. That time management at the end turns out to have been meaningless. We had no opportunities with more injuries, mistakes, etc. It looks bad but was not what directly led to the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk McGirk Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 How about if moss hadnt even been in the game today, we win easily He caused a pick, lost a fumble that gave the pack the game winning score, and let a 40+ yard pass bounce off his face a-la A Brown. This game is on moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFskinsfan72 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 That was just like the giants game. :mad: Second half joke. Bad calls by refs. What they heck!:mad: We should have had that. I can't express my anger enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live4burgandyandgold Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Yeah. I am f***ing disgusted with todays performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 That time management at the end turns out to have been meaningless. We had no opportunities with more injuries, mistakes, etc. It looks bad but was not what directly led to the loss. I do agree that it turned out to be meaningless. But, you want to keep your team in the best position to win at all times. Gibbs has consistently been unprepared to make decision and squandered time outs over the past 4 years. In order avoid that becoming an issue that DOES decide a game in the future, he needs to get it fixed. He has failed to do that after 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsciambi Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have to agree. Portis just doesn't look that good right now. Betts' performance last season was an aberration. Moss isn't a true #1 receiver. However, Campbell is playing great football. ARE and McCardell are a great tandem of receivers. Sellers and Cooley are elite at FB and TE. Unfortunately, our coaches don't seem to be utilizing the right players in the correct plays. The defense is playing lights out. If not for them, I dunno what to say about this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Its an unfortunate loss where too many mistakes cost us. It would have been a very hard game to win against a good GB team at home coming off a loss last week. I still like this team and think they'll make the playoffs. Catching dallas will be tough unless they start losing too. We'll be okay. Hopefully our O-Line guys aren't too bad off and we get Rabach, Heyer, and Wade back. Things starting falling apart after they went out, in particular Rabach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatant Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This loss is entirely on the players. Throughout the whole game we could not catch or hold on the to the ball. I always hold out hope for a victory, but after the Moss fumble I knew we were done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I disagree. 1-3 on players, 4th on injuries and PLAYERS.Campbell overthrew Lloyd on what was a sure TD. Game was probably over at that point. Campbell has held the ball a split second too long multiple times and gotten sacked. Some of that is on the o-line injuries. That time management at the end turns out to have been meaningless. We had no opportunities with more injuries, mistakes, etc. It looks bad but was not what directly led to the loss. Good point there. JC has to get better touch on those deep balls, because we do win this game if there is air under that throw I am really worried about the o-line now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djotroy17 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Players that wanted to win: Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Keenan McCardell, Jason Campbell, All of the Defence (excluding Carlos Rogers). Why we lost: Santana Moss, Carlos Rogers, O-Line Injuries, Horrible 4th quarter clock management, Lack of effort at the end. Now I know why Sean Taylor lateraled the ball to Rocky Mackintosh...cuz he knew the offence wasnt going to put any points on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I do not agree with you. The coaches did not lose the 4th quarter. I have much I would like to say........but want to regroup before I speak. Jason made mistakes, our receivers were almost non existant, CP was less than stellar........and OUR O LINE IS GONE. I do not this any of this is on the coaches. But.....will say more once I am calmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseGoForTheWin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The team certainly blew this one. I'll let Moss have his bad game, but Portis has been shaky this year. Seems to have a bout of fumbilitis. And JC just can't seem to hit his receivers on those long balls--we see it week after week. Here's to next week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 12th loss when Gibbs had the lead at the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Campbell can do it- now we just need to let Moss in on it, because I think he still wants to look back to Portis running it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellioso Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I feel like this team comes out firing on all cylinders in the first half, but loses so much momentum coming out of halftime, Do you think its the coaches speeches at halftime, players thinking they have it in the bag or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Moss created a 14 pointswing today. Fumble that turned into a TD and then dropped a sure TD. Moss is the goat. Bad play calling at times, but the drops by everybody today contributed to yet another ugly game that we gave away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isifhan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I do not this any of this is on the coaches. You can not in good conscious absolve the coaching of their mismanagement of the last quarter. To waste 30+ seconds AND not think far enough ahead to call two plays with the use of another time out is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sith lord Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The team certainly blew this one. I'll let Moss have his bad game, but Portis has been shaky this year. Seems to have a bout of fumbilitis. And JC just can't seem to hit his receivers on those long balls--we see it week after week.Here's to next week... Moss have also been VERY shaky this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Good point there. JC has to get better touch on those deep balls, because we do win this game if there is air under that throwI am really worried about the o-line now In that jackoff thread calling people out for game thread posts, one of mine about our season being over after Thomas went down was selected. Well, the reason I said it is because you don't STOP getting serious injuries. If an entire side of your O-line goes down, you will continue to suffer injuries throughout the season. Unless we get healthy REAL quick, we cannot win without decent O-line play. Our running game now sucks and our passing game will look terrible against any quality defenses. I'm not saying our season IS over but it's looming in the distance if these injuries turn out to be even semi-serious. And with Moss, ARE and Portis...well, it ain't just the o-line. We escaped with Jason's knee in preseason but it seems like Final Destination where we're JUST NOT escaping these injuries, even though we all breathed a sigh of relief against Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Giants loss was on the coaches. This loss was on the offensive players. The defense played it's heart out and did just about all it could do, short of scoring, to win this game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonk_fav.redskin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have to agree. Portis just doesn't look that good right now. Betts' performance last season was an aberration. Moss isn't a true #1 receiver.However, Campbell is playing great football. ARE and McCardell are a great tandem of receivers. Sellers and Cooley are elite at FB and TE. Unfortunately, our coaches don't seem to be utilizing the right players in the correct plays. The defense is playing lights out. If not for them, I dunno what to say about this team. Moss is the biggest disappointment, maybe he was trying to show up for the team but he was a definite drag, could not freaking catch or hold onto the ball.... Kudos to Jason and Cooley and the D, the rest sucked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadicSkinFan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I disagree. 1-3 on players, 4th on injuries and PLAYERS.Campbell overthrew Lloyd on what was a sure TD. Game was probably over at that point. Campbell has held the ball a split second too long multiple times and gotten sacked. Some of that is on the o-line injuries. That time management at the end turns out to have been meaningless. We had no opportunities with more injuries, mistakes, etc. It looks bad but was not what directly led to the loss. You're joking right? So time left on the clock and number of timeouts left in no way dictates what is called right? Way off base. With time and timeouts left, we could have used the middle of the field and or utilized screen passes(correctly) to put us in position for the tying fieldgoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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