Cskin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 We're all going to blow gaskets after this game.... and we're going to point fingers at people and assign blame. It's human nature...a and it's reactionary. I think what's clear is that we're not as talented a team as our record indicated before this game. Additionally, I think in close games... this team plays tight and mistakes occur. The team, simply is not good enough talent wise to overcome the mistakes. End of story.... now commence with the finger pointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 It was not a pretty game. Errors were made on all parts. The dropped passes happen ... The fumbles happen .... indecision on the part of the staff happen .... the one that seems easiest to fix is the coaching decisions ... is it a problem of too man chiefs ? .... is there too much discussion about the next play ? does anyone remember Gibbs or Saunders having this problem when they were head coach ? 2 ideas take time to process ... 1 idea is run with conviction .... oh well there is next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The oline was the problem today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky*13 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 What a pathetic game by the coaching staff and the offence,it was about as bad as it gets...Dropped balls,fumbles,clock management. What a waste of a great defensive performance with the exception of one play in the first qaurter.Horrible game to watch,way to give it away skins....but we as fans should be used to this crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soljaofjesus Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Congradulate Gregg Williams on a great defense.. Offense? = as* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonk_fav.redskin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 You can not in good conscious absolve the coaching of their mismanagement of the last quarter. To waste 30+ seconds AND not think far enough ahead to call two plays with the use of another time out is inexcusable. Aikman called it during the TO on 3rd down... the coached looked lost on the sidelines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadicSkinFan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Moss is the biggest disappointment, maybe he was trying to show up for the team but he was a definite drag, could not freaking catch or hold onto the ball....Kudos to Jason and Cooley and the D, the rest sucked... It's amazing to say, but had we sat down Moss for another week, we may have actually won this game. It's quite rare when you can play a offensive player (who is not the QB) for actually losing a game you are leading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredrockSkinsFan Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This one is all about injuries, weather conditions, and turn overs. Coaching decisions in this case weren't any better or worse than those of Green Bay. Big ups to Sean Taylor who had 2 INT's and could've easily had 3 others, nice to see someone on the field who really wants a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 In that jackoff thread calling people out for game thread posts, one of mine about our season being over after Thomas went down was selected.Well, the reason I said it is because you don't STOP getting serious injuries. If an entire side of your O-line goes down, you will continue to suffer injuries throughout the season. Unless we get healthy REAL quick, we cannot win without decent O-line play. Our running game now sucks and our passing game will look terrible against any quality defenses. I'm not saying our season IS over but it's looming in the distance if these injuries turn out to be even semi-serious. And with Moss, ARE and Portis...well, it ain't just the o-line. We escaped with Jason's knee in preseason but it seems like Final Destination where we're JUST NOT escaping these injuries, even though we all breathed a sigh of relief against Pittsburgh. I have to agree. Our running game was not effective at all in the second half after we lost wade and Rabach. The thing is the coaches should figure that out, and change their game plan, I don't think Gibbs or saunders have realized that not sure why :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thread title says it all. clearly, our defense is great, and kept us in the game when we should have been blown out due to offensive ineptitude. So whats wrong with our offense? Why are we calling a 1 yard pass in the flat, with the entire green bay defense on the line of scrimmage on 4th and 2? Why are we calling screens at the end of the game, down by 3, with no TO's and 50 yards to cover? Why isnt our passing game more vertical? To cap it off, now our receivers (with the exception of mccardell) cant catch a pass to save their lives. Green bay is not better than us. But whats wrong with the offense? Are our players not suited for this system? Bad playcalling? Bad execution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonk_fav.redskin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 We're all going to blow gaskets after this game.... and we're going to point fingers at people and assign blame. It's human nature...a and it's reactionary. I think what's clear is that we're not as talented a team as our record indicated before this game. Additionally, I think in close games... this team plays tight and mistakes occur. The team, simply is not good enough talent wise to overcome the mistakes. End of story.... now commence with the finger pointing. You are correct, I predicted a 7-9 or 8-8 record, but after being 3-1 going into today (could have been 4-0 by winning against the NYG) I was hoping the Skins could surprise me... After todays reality check, 8-8 will be about right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 You're joking right? So time left on the clock and number of timeouts left in no way dictates what is called right? Way off base. With time and timeouts left, we could have used the middle of the field and or utilized screen passes(correctly) to put us in position for the tying fieldgoal. And based on the protection Jason was getting after Rabach and Wade and Heyer went down, how do you propose we use the middle of the field?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonk_fav.redskin Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 This one is all about injuries, weather conditions, and turn overs. Coaching decisions in this case weren't any better or worse than those of Green Bay. Big ups to Sean Taylor who had 2 INT's and could've easily had 3 others, nice to see someone on the field who really wants a W. The Pack played in the same conditions... but did enough to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastaer Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 12th loss when Gibbs had the lead at the half. ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have to agree. Our running game was not effective at all in the second half after we lost wade and Rabach. The thing is the coaches should figure that out, and change their game plan, I don't think Gibbs or saunders have realized that not sure why :/ No, when the game is close, you still have to try to run. I think the mistake was made when we called a wide running play on a 3rd and 1. There were mistakes but almost every team has a few bad playcalls. The REAL issue is the players execution of well-designed plays. If Moss and the defense hold onto more balls, we win. If Campbell completes that pass to Lloyd, we win. If we don't get these O-line injuries, there's a good chance we win. I don't know what our chances are with all these injuries. Unless they turn out to not be serious The problems with this team have finally STOPPED being about playcalling for the most part. Now it's on players and sadly, injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAshparie36 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I agree with almost everything on this thread. offense: I dont know what the hell Moss's deal was today. dropped pass for an int. deep ball dropped that would have probably resulted in us scoring. then a fumble for a touchdown that put them in the lead and ultimately won the game for them. Portis continues to give us costly fumbles, by costly i mean at the worst times, like when we are down n trying to put together a drive, or at the worse place, like at our own 20. The o-line is just ridiculously banged up. we couldnt block high schoolers if we tried. campbell needs to start putting better touches on the deep passes. lloyd made great effort to jump and stretch at full speed to try to make a play, the ball needs to be thrown better. Defense: Cant say enough about the Defense. these guys are awesome, but today was just like the giants game. the D continually bailed out the offense, gave them the ball back, but they couldnt do anything with. and yes, that was exactly why taylor lateralled it to mcintosh cause he know the offense wasnt gonna do anything. side note, taylor could of had 5 int's today (the one he dropped on the 1st series, the deep one that went inbetween his arms, the deep one that he dropped when they called PI on rogers but took it back.) Coaching: im not too sure what was going on at the end with time management, but it didnt work. the 4th down to betts was the dumbest thing i've ever seen. THE PASS IN THE FLATS NEED TO STOP. THEY DONT WORK ANYMORE (i.e. giants game, 2nd down to sellers) as most of you have said, i am fkn disgusted by todays game. and royally pissed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thr Pack played in the same conditions... but did enough to win Yeah the Packers didn't have guys drop balls that were thrown right into their hands over and over. Same conditions. One team's players executed, one team's didn't. Props to JC for doing as well as he did even with the poor protection. He had some great passes that were dropped and would probably have easily thrown for 300 yards or more if they had been caught. Props to the defense for showing up big time, especially ST who, even though he dropped a couple of easy INTs, showed why he may be the best FS in the league right now. Anything Favre threw long was either broken up, intercepted, or almost intercepted by Taylor. I really don't know what is up with Moss. This is a string of games he has had the dropsies. Our other WRs, while doing better, also dropped stuff. Portis doesn't really seem himself out there nowadays. I don't know if he is banged up or what. Also the OP was right. The playcalling and clock management was awful in the 4th quarter. Just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I've been very critical of Gibbs, but I put this loss on Moss. :applause: :applause: Santana Moss has sucked all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The double timeout on 4th and 2 to end up throwing to betts behind the line was embarassing. Of course McKardell was wide open - it would seem he is tall enough to handle JC's always high passes. Maybe he needs to be our number 1??? Moss would seem to do great accepting his more natural role of a 2. ARE 3 - there we have receivers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 :applause: :applause: Santana Moss has sucked all season. Admit that moss does better taking in passes that arent over his head and behind him consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The "U" sucks. Even Taylor muffed a bunch. Hey "U" grads, it's not about the hype -- it's about delivering. You're big on hype, and short on delivery. Taylor, don't take comfort in sucking in a few INTs -- you know you were just the backsweep to whatever else went wrong. I'm really PO'd at the Redskins coaching staff right now -- especially Stan Hixon, the idiot coach of our WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz13 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The one thing I put on the coaches occurred when we called our 2nd TO in 2 plays at the end. Cooley reached out w/ the ball on 3rd down and was about a half of a yard short of the 1st down. The officials marked the ball 2 yards short of the 1st. Instead of just calling a TO there, Gibbs should have challenged the spot of the ball. It was clearly a poor spot. If we won the challenge it would have been 4th and a half yard and we would have kept our TO. We could have run a QB sneak to gain that or given it to Sellars. Worst case scenario is we lose a TO which we lost anyway by just taking it. It was a poor spot and even poorer coaching decision. There is no reason to take a TO 2 downs in a row. The coaches should have known what they were going to do on 4th down if it came to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Admit that moss does better taking in passes that arent over his head and behind him consistently. Moss has dropped some that are a bit high but should have been caught, and he has also dropped some that were right into his hands. Remember, this is the same Santana Moss that had hands of glue in 05 and caught plenty of passes that were thrown a bit behind or high. The deep ball to him today was pretty much as perfect as you're going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Increase Mather Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The one thing I put on the coaches occurred when we called our 2nd TO in 2 plays at the end. Cooley reached out w/ the ball on 3rd down and was about a half of a yard short of the 1st down. The officials marked the ball 2 yards short of the 1st. Instead of just calling a TO there, Gibbs should have challenged the spot of the ball. It was clearly a poor spot. If we won the challenge it would have been 4th and a half yard and we would have kept our TO. We could have run a QB sneak to gain that or given it to Sellars. Worst case scenario is we lose a TO which we lost anyway by just taking it. It was a poor spot and even poorer coaching decision. There is no reason to take a TO 2 downs in a row. The coaches should have known what they were going to do on 4th down if it came to that. This is an excellent point. I was appalled by the spot of the ball. Colley had the ball extended to within a mere half-yard of so of the marker at the time his knee touched down out-of-bounds. The spot was horrible. A challenge would have achieved the objective of re-grouping the team to discuss the play- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackstraw Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Many teams may be able to win with less than 100 yards rushing but the Redskins will have problems if they do not do better than this. Add to this dropped passes and turnovers we will never have a chance. JC is a good QB but he cannot win games consistently with his arm alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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