mistertim Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ok maybe this is just me... But I was watching some highlights from ST's rookie season and he seems to actually be very good in coverage...a decent amount of INTs, lots of tight one on one disruptions and dropped balls. Perhaps it is just because its highlights; I don't remember all the plays from all of the 04-05 season games. However it seems to me like his coverage skills have dropped off, especially this season. Is it the defense as a whole or do you think he has lost something along the way? I always figured his coverage problems so far were because our CBs weren't doing their jobs, but looking back it seems like he doesn't have as much concentration or drive. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Ok maybe this is just me...But I was watching some highlights from ST's rookie season and he seems to actually be very good in coverage...a decent amount of INTs, lots of tight one on one disruptions and dropped balls. Perhaps it is just because its highlights; I don't remember all the plays from all of the 04-05 season games. However it seems to me like his coverage skills have dropped off, especially this season. Is it the defense as a whole or do you think he has lost something along the way? I always figured his coverage problems so far were because our CBs weren't doing their jobs, but looking back it seems like he doesn't have as much concentration or drive. Thoughts? His coverage skills haven't dropped off, but it seems like he's trying to cover 2 or 3 guys at a time out there. His buddys in the secondary are making mistakes and he can only do so much. I'm not saying that he doesn't make mistakes, he does, but not very often. HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donita35 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I don't think that he lost anything, I just think that we are probably using him wrong now. He excels in the open field looking for the big hit. Plus we do not have the corners that we had in the 04-05 season. Hell even if we still had Smoot, our secondary would be a hell of a lot better. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 13, 2006 Author Share Posted October 13, 2006 I don't think that he lost anything, I just think that we are probably using him wrong now. He excels in the open field looking for the big hit. Plus we do not have the corners that we had in the 04-05 season. Hell even if we still had Smoot, our secondary would be a hell of a lot better. :2cents: Very true. I guess it just seems to me that he doesn't have the energy he did back then. However, seeing how bad the defense as a whole is doing against the pass and how the CBs aren't doing their jobs well I can understand how anyone could get a bit tired of it. As was said before, he can't do it all out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benkeiofthehillpeople Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Seems to me like he's either getting manned up or playing zone more this year and doing less roaming, where he excels. When the corner play was better he could just play centerfield in a cover 1 defense and ballhawk/light people up. He also might not have the cohesiveness with the new guys yet to trust where they are going to be and ending up trying too hard or thinking too much. my :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasimpson Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 He hasn't lost anything, what your seeing is product of what he is surrounded with, Wright and Rumph are not NFL caliber players and ST has to compensate for them. Like Donitia said, in 04-05 we had Springs (healthy) and Smoot, both very good corners. Hopefully when Springs gets back or when the secondary grows some cohesion, ST will be back to making int's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I wouldn't read into it. The whole defense looks like garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMachine Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 As a quarterback you always go against the rookie on a defense. You can bet that teams are now throwing away from ST. As said above, hes not getting much help in the secondary either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerbo Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Why can't we convert S.Taylor into a strong safety........can someone find some points to see if this is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[S.S.F. | Nero] Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 S dot, as my friends and I refer to him, is still one of the hardest hitters in the game. And that's the bottom line: he's a hitter, not a cover man. GW is using Sean in coverage, thus he is going to struggle compared to past schemes and personell situations. It's like asking Portis to play QB and expecting him to make every read and throw....just not going to happen like that (Although I'm sure there are some here that feel like CP would be an improvement over MB.....but I am NOT one of those people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 13, 2006 Author Share Posted October 13, 2006 Why can't we convert S.Taylor into a strong safety........can someone find some points to see if this is possible. Nah I don't think I'd do that. He is way too good at roaming the field and homing in on where the ball is going. It would probably be a waste of his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roanoker Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 He hasn't lost anything, what your seeing is product of what he is surrounded with, Wright and Rumph are not NFL caliber players and ST has to compensate for them. Like Donitia said, in 04-05 we had Springs (healthy) and Smoot, both very good corners. Hopefully when Springs gets back or when the secondary grows some cohesion, ST will be back to making int's. I agree. It does seem like he's doing a lot more because he has to compensate for the players out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasimpson Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 '] And that's the bottom line: he's a hitter' date=' not a cover man. [/quote'] Yes, he is definately a hitter, but to say that he can't cover is just plain wrong. As I said earlier, he is not playing with NFL talent in the secondary, with exception of CR and AA on occasion. ST was great in coverage in year one and two, why would he decline in year three.....because of the surrounding cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[S.S.F. | Nero] Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Originally Posted by [s.S.F. | Nero] And that's the bottom line: he's a hitter, not a cover man. Yes, he is definately a hitter, but to say that he can't cover is just plain wrong. As I said earlier, he is not playing with NFL talent in the secondary, with exception of CR and AA on occasion. ST was great in coverage in year one and two, why would he decline in year three.....because of the surrounding cast. I may have been a bit unclear. Sean is great in coverage when he has Springs/Smoot or Springs/Rogers. GW has been forced to adjust his scheme, as stated earlier in the thread, to compensate for weak corners. All I'm saying is that Sean Taylor's strength is hitting, not covering. Doesn't mean that he "can't cover" but that it's just not what he's best at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitting bull Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 ']Sean Taylor's strength is hitting' date=' not covering. [/quote']Wrong !!! He is a cover safety... and one of the best. It is his strenght... :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 13, 2006 Author Share Posted October 13, 2006 Wrong !!!He is a cover safety... and one of the best. It is his strenght... :logo: Nah I think I agree with Nero on this one. His main thing is hitting/tackling. He is also good in coverage, but that isn't his main strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Taylor can cover. I'll say it again in years past the lack of pass rusd didn't really hurt the Skins as bad but it is this year. When they all out blits and don't get there, its hurting the Skins. I reall yhave to give props to Darrell Green Chris Dishman Also Champ and Smoot for having to stay on WR's longer than normal. You could run more man to man with those guys. Greg Williams defense now with this personnel seems to be a boom or bust defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnhay Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 His coverage skills haven't dropped off, but it seems like he's trying to cover 2 or 3 guys at a time out there. His buddys in the secondary are making mistakes and he can only do so much. I'm not saying that he doesn't make mistakes, he does, but not very often.HTTR! I think ST makes mistakes often and only makes up for them with his athletic ability. In coverage he's been a big disappointment to me this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desioreo87 Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 You would never have seen these threads last year and why is that? Cause ST is having to do more than just play FS like he has the last 2 seasons. he has to compensate for BAD cornerback play and i personally believe that ST is overextending himself trying to be at too many places at once which is leaving him out of position a lot. Last year you never saw him get beat this badly at all, in fact whenever he was in on a play he was usually doing something good like causing fumbles or making interceptions. This year ST doesn't have the freedom of playing FS he actually has to cover receivers since they are burning through our secondary into our last line of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodOnPaper Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 His coverage skills haven't dropped off, but it seems like he's trying to cover 2 or 3 guys at a time out there. His buddys in the secondary are making mistakes and he can only do so much. I'm not saying that he doesn't make mistakes, he does, but not very often.HTTR! EXACTLY. He's doing everybody's job out there. We gotta reward this guy for the job he's done for this team. If Rogers and Wright didn't suck so bad he'd have more room to make big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKiNz Jus 2 sick Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Nah I don't think I'd do that. He is way too good at roaming the field and homing in on where the ball is going. It would probably be a waste of his skills.ST is more of a zone player and he is very good in coverage (ask randy moss how good he is in coverage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uno Mas Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 His coverage skills haven't dropped off, but it seems like he's trying to cover 2 or 3 guys at a time out there. His buddys in the secondary are making mistakes and he can only do so much. I'm not saying that he doesn't make mistakes, he does, but not very often.HTTR! I disagree. Ive seen ST make his fair share of mistakes this year already. That long touchdown catch by Terry Glenn was on ST. I read something saying that Ryan Clark used to call the coverages in the secondary and now thats on ST, maybe thats a contributer to some of his lapses. We can only speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skin_finatic Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 sorry with a accidental double post...look below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skin_finatic Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 that was a broken play on defense and lemar marshall ended up on him. You really can't put that on Taylor. Taylor almost made a hell of a play cuz he had to run across the whole field to get to glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 14, 2006 Author Share Posted October 14, 2006 that was a broken play on defense and lemar marshall ended up on him. You really can't put that on Taylor. Taylor almost made a hell of a play cuz he had to run across the whole field to get to glenn. It is true that in those shots you can't really see much of the field so you don't get a good idea of how far a guy had to run to get where he is. I remember watching the fumble he grabbed and took for a TD in the playoffs last year and thinking "where the **** did he come from??". He just literally appeared out of nowhere going 80 miles per hour, nabbed the ball, and was gone. He had come from all the way across the field to get that. That is damn fast. So yeah, maybe he did have to come all the way across the field to even get there in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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