terpskins Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Typically, I like to give the police a lot of latitude, just because of the nature of their job. But, in this particular situation, I don't see how any reasonable person can say that the officer did not behave recklessly. This situation just reaks of someone who is poorly trained and thus made all the wrong decisions. For example, if the police officer had simply dialed 911, this situation could have all been avoided. He had ample opportunity and time, since he followed Foley for approximatley 20 miles and even talked to him two times before he shot him. I can understand the officer's need to follow Foley until an on duty policeman arrived, but for him to try to handle the situation on his own is ridiculous. I understand many on here will blame Foley because he is was allegedly intoxicated and behaving erratically. For this, I think he does bare some responsibility. However, if you are a trained police officer and you are dealing with someone who is potentially intoxicated, is following the person around endlessly really the best way to deal with the situation? Whoever this guy is, he should be thrown off the police force and into jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I am frankly amazed he had three warning shots to stop.usually the rule is that if you draw your weapon and are forced to shoot- you shoot twice to the chest. he really is lucky to not be in the morgue. Actually four, if you also count the first one that hit him. And it appears he still kept coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Maybe he wanted Foley to stay in the car until back-up could arrive? He never got the chance because Foley is the one who "forced" the situation. Maybe he said, "Sir, stay in the car until back-up arrives..." So, you're an undercover cop... and you are trying to do your job, by getting a drunk speeder off the road... and he won't stop. Don't they teach people to never get out of the car when pulled over by a cop? If he called the chase in, the question should be, "What were all the marked cars doing?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCsportsfan53 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Maybe he wanted Foley to stay in the car until back-up could arrive? He never got the chance because Foley is the one who "forced" the situation. Maybe he said, "Sir, stay in the car until back-up arrives..." So, you're an undercover cop... and you are trying to do your job, by getting a drunk speeder off the road... and he won't stop. Don't they teach people to never get out of the car when pulled over by a cop? If he called the chase in, the question should be, "What were all the marked cars doing?". Not undercover, off duty, and he never showed his badge. Like HH said, he had ample time to call for a marked car or on-duty officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Not undercover, off duty, and he never showed his badge. Like HH said, he had ample time to call for a marked car or on-duty officer. He did call for back up it probably made getting the right police departmant hard since the crossed jurisdictiona few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Did he really not show his badge? If that's true then he's going to have a hell of a time in court. If the guy had no proof that he was a cop, then he should have known better then to try to pull anyone over, let alone shoot them. Seriously people is the public just supposed to believe anyone that claims to be a cop and has a gun? This is a serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Third, I have never in my life (8 years Army, 5 years civilian LE) heard of firing warning shots. If you display a firearm, it had better be your intent to use it. And by "use it" I mean the body armour-drill. Two to the chest, one to the head; evaluate target; repeat as necessary. Maybe he's just a bad shot :laugh: But seriously why would you be firing wildly in a neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbiggs Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 But seriously why would you be firing wildly in a neighborhood. Wildly? Sounds like he hit was he was aiming at. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Wildly? Sounds like he hit was he was aiming at.Dan Firing two bullet in to the bushes counts as wildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 remember the NYC cops who shot that african immigrant in his own doorway?they claimed he had a gun,when all he was doing was reaching for his wallet,the cops were found NOT guilty by a mostly white jury,shooting him 24 times was murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz1972 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 ppl get pulled over for dui everyday,why all the uproar here?unarmed ppl are killed by police for no reason every yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I would have shot him based on whats being reported. Twice coming at you. The car driving alongside him Being the monster shape/size bearing also... Shot to the knee would have been the warning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 you guys seen this...? POSTED 10:21 a.m. EDT, September 8, 2006 FOLEY'S FRIEND WAS A FREAKIN' FUGITIVE It's been a couple of days since we've last updated the bizarre incident that resulted in the shooting of Chargers linebacker Steve Foley. Here's what happened Thursday. The most significant development, in our view, is that the woman who was with Foley when he was shot -- and who drove Foley's car at off-duty officer Aaron Mansker -- was wanted for skipping out on a September 2004 preliminary hearing for four felony charges. Lisa Maree Gaut was, in other words, a fugitive. And maybe that explains why she and Foley ignored Mansker's repeated instructions to pull over. Regardless of whether they thought he was a real cop with a real gun, Gaut knew that she was in deep doo-doo if her name made it into the computer back at headquarters. Still, the entire situation stinks. Per a prosecutor who spoke during a Thursday arraignment of Gaut, Mansker now claims that he felt "trapped" in a cul-de-sac before he opened fire. The prosecutor also said that Mansker had decided to drop the pursuit of Foley because no officers had responded to his calls for back-up, but Mansker was blocked in the dead-end street where Foley resides. So when the car driven by Gaut came at Mansker, he put two bullets into the vehicle -- and three into Foley. Mansker claims that Foley was reaching into his pants with his right hand, but all indications are that Foley was unarmed. Gaut's attorney said at Thursday's hearing that Foley and Gaut had ignored the orders from Mansker to pull over because they thought he was a carjacker or an "overeager fan." Meanwhile, Foley has refused to talk to police about the incident as he recovers in a hospital from the shooting and the surgery that followed. He has been placed on the Chargers' non-football injury list, and he will not be paid for 2006 (although the team could pay him if it chose to do so). Though he isn't presently facing charges, our guess is that Foley knew about Gaut's status as a fugitive, and that he's watched enough television to know that he might be in trouble if it's proven that he was helping her in any way. (E.g., the Seinfeld "fugitive sex" episode.) http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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