black ice Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 GW - Play #56 and maybe we can get a turnover. Even the Eagles have problems with T.O., but he is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkie11 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Yes thats true because real coaches have good interpersonal skills not ego's that will allow them to play the best players.I never thought i would say this but Gibbs is losing the faith of his fans by allowing this mess to continue on simple cut Lavar or play him if he's not in your plans then deactivate him.Remember he's still making good money to ride then pine so i dont really think he's to concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black ice Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 LaVar is becoming a issue for the goodness of the team and as we all saw we won without him and we can totally do without his issues! What kind of half brain comment is this? Do you consider a 6-10 season winning? 99% of the successful teams have a playmaker in their mist. The things we are lacking on Defense are the very things LaVar has given this team for years. GW says, "well if I was to play LaVar, who would I take out?" Well, any damn body except the only other LB you have that has a motor (Marcus Washington). As far as getting the foot ball when it's on the ground. When I played, my coaches would bring us out on the field during practice and throw 10 footballs ont he field and whoever didn't come up with a ball got extra run time. You do the math. Ten balls and 20 players. There was some scrapping going on. We need some scrapping on the field. For goodness sake...just take the ball out of someones hands, or put your helmet on the ball during the takle. We were taught to include the PUNCH in our takling in order to create fumbles. GW get a clue. Other teams have figured out that your defense is a bend and bend again until it break defense. We saw in two consecutive weeks the same type of back breaking plays against our defense. Other teams are seeing something in there and it will continue until it's fixed. I would not be supprised if SF ran 10 - 15 screen plays next week, because chances are one of them will break for a long play (maybe even a TD). History shows us that this is a weekness. If nothing else, play #56 and #53 on 3rd and long situations, but for him to sit on the bench, when you defense is getting PUNKED is hurtful. Play Him!:mad::dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkie11 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I dont know if you guys are paying attention to the team but its funny that most of the players are starting to get hurt and cant play.Samuel seemed to miss some key blocks in key times of the game alot of players will not play next week i wonder why????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifelong Skins Fan Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 This is DC. What we need is a good conspiacy theory. High level sources within the organization wishing to remain anonymous report that Lavar is not actually benched. The 56 on the pine is actually a LaVar impersonator. Meanwhile the real Lavar is in a safe location studying his playbook in order to become Joe's 255 pound running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Frankly, I don't care if LaVar is out there or not. As long as he's not playing against us, he can ride the bench all season as far as I'm concerned. What else do you guys want? Besides sacks and turnovers, the defense has put us in a position to win every game. At the end of every game, they are coming up with crucial stops, forcing our opponents to punt the ball back to us to try to win the game. How many more 3-and-outs in a row could you hope for? What was it, 5 in a row in Denver? And the offense still couldn't put points on the board. In my mind, the issue is not defense. No we're not ranked number one (I think we might be ranked the number 5 team defensively) but this is wasted energy. The defense is good enough, it's the OFFENSE we need to be worrying about. So unless they are going to put LaVar in at running back, I reiterate: I could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCscorpio Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I agree it's somthing that Snyder,Gibbs and the rest aren't saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worstSeat Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Please, for the love of the fans, stick LaVar back in on third downs. Can we get over this childish spat? We all know he's got more potential than the LBs on the field, and on third his undisciplined play isn't so much of a problem. From the Washington Post, we've got this quote from "a former Redskin" (who might be Jeff Rutledge for all I know; didn't he play for the Skins a while? In any event, he gets it more than any other author has to date): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/15/AR2005101500581_4.html [[One former Redskin sees blame on both sides. "I don't think it's all LaVar," the former Redskin said. "I think it's a little bit of them, too. LaVar is still LaVar. He loves to play and works hard, and I think he's still one of the 10 best linebackers in the league. He can still make things happen, which is all the more reason to play him on third down. In this system, third and long is just: 'Go.' There's no read and react, it's just, 'Get after the quarterback.' "]] We need the turnovers. We need the quarterbacks' fear. We need to stop putting a man who can get 11 sacks in a season beside the water cooler. If there's some grand plan to Gibbs' and Williams' treatment of LaVar, it's time to end it. Losing games by one score when you've got a 3rd down specialist on the bench who can spell that difference is an insult to the fans. Time to stop with the idealism and start trying to win games. The East looks winnable right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinsfan2 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 so here we have another loss as the defense struggles with pass rush. it is hard to believe that Lavar has lost his skills so considerably, that even on a day when the defense could not mount any presssure on the quarterback, he could not be brought in for a single down. why is the team not being upfront and letting the fans know whats going on? i think we deserve to know why a playmaker is sitting on the sidelines, unable to get in for a single play while we struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I thought Wilbon made a great point today in his conversation with Trent Green, who basicially said, "Yeah, it's nice knowing that Lavar won't be in there. It's one less thing to worry about." When opposing qb's are saying, essentially, thanks for not playing Lavar, it made my job all the more easier, we've got a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 This looks more like a 2005 version of the Marcus Allen v Al Davis with G Williams/Gibbs in the public role as al davis. Coach gibbs you might as well be upfront because on the tv and radio show the callers will continue to bring the subject up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Who cares what a hater with two posts thinks or is sick of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie1913 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 It's amazing how all of the writers, coaches, fans, etc., are piling on LaVar now. Please stop it! This is just a dirty Corporate America tactic by an angry owner who LaVar dared to oppose and take into litigation. This has nothing to do with LaVar being out of place and not able to follow rules. In order to be a success in life, you have to take chances, think outside the box, make the unscripted plays....etc., so LaVar might not play within the confines of all the rules, but that is the difference between a good player and a great player. Greg Williams and the Redskins just want good players that play in the little so-called scheme. Sure they label LaVar undisciplined and all this junk, but there are teams that would take LaVar and all of his so-called maverick ways. So, why not just let him go! Oh, but no....this is just a power tactic and it makes the organization seem petty and simple minded. Of course, there are those who can't wait to point out LaVar's mistakes. Well, get out your pen and paper to take notes because every player on every team make mistakes. There is no perfect player, no perfect scheme, nor is there a perfect game. This is a shame and a disgrace! The fans and writers that are dumping on LaVar now are bandwagon addicts that will go along with whatever is happening at the time. LaVar kept this team on the NFL map for years! So, now he is no good...give me a break! The way these reporters, coaches and fans talk about the so-called Defensive Schemes and Defensive Packages, you'd think that all of the Redskins defensive players graduated from Harvard or Yale! There aren't that many schemes and that defense isn't all that complicated. Just let LaVar go to another team so the Redskins can get on with their drama. Let's face it, the Redskins and their fans love drama. When LaVar leaves there will be another hee-hoe-of-drama filling the airways. The Redskins will not have any success until they do things the right way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaj70123 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Just play him!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie1913 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 LaVar is becoming a issue for the goodness of the team and as we all saw we won without him and we can totally do without his issues! LaVar did not bring this drama...the media brought the drama to LaVar so I don't think it's fair that he gets the blame. Sure, they can win without him....so let him go to another team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie1913 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 GW - Play #56 and maybe we can get a turnover. Even the Eagles have problems with T.O., but he is on the field. It's about control and showing LaVar who is in charge. However, by not playing LaVar it is a good thing for LaVar. Why play for these bitter coaches and this spiteful organization and risk injury? LaVar should look at the bright side, he will have a chance to heal and get stronger and he is young enough to go to another team and make an impact. Just take the deactivation like Keyshawn. If the scheme is too complicated and LaVar is too dumb to get it....just deactivate him and let him go to another team. Stop the madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scstand Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Please, for the love of the fans, stick LaVar back in on third downs. Can we get over this childish spat? We all know he's got more potential than the LBs on the field, and on third his undisciplined play isn't so much of a problem.From the Washington Post, we've got this quote from "a former Redskin" (who might be Jeff Rutledge for all I know; didn't he play for the Skins a while? In any event, he gets it more than any other author has to date): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/15/AR2005101500581_4.html [[One former Redskin sees blame on both sides. "I don't think it's all LaVar," the former Redskin said. "I think it's a little bit of them, too. LaVar is still LaVar. He loves to play and works hard, and I think he's still one of the 10 best linebackers in the league. He can still make things happen, which is all the more reason to play him on third down. In this system, third and long is just: 'Go.' There's no read and react, it's just, 'Get after the quarterback.' "]] We need the turnovers. We need the quarterbacks' fear. We need to stop putting a man who can get 11 sacks in a season beside the water cooler. If there's some grand plan to Gibbs' and Williams' treatment of LaVar, it's time to end it. Losing games by one score when you've got a 3rd down specialist on the bench who can spell that difference is an insult to the fans. Time to stop with the idealism and start trying to win games. The East looks winnable right now. Brian Mitchel was the formaer Redskin that said this. BMitch speaks his mind something that I admire because I have that mentality as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhoya Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 PLEASE get Lavar on the field. Two weeks now, 3 big TD runs. He is a big play maker, and maybe a big play maker can prevent 1 or 2 big plays! The defense can be as ggood as #1, but if you cant shut that down, we will be sitting here 7-9 at the end of the season and wondering what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCscorpio Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 This is why the skins get so much strife around the league about not being good businessmen.Every year we have to put up with an like this.We cause a lot of problems for ourselves.Just play f****** LaVar and stop being A******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhoya Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start Lavar. Jesus! I guarantee if he plays more than 10 plays, we go 4-2. And I repeat..... Obviously, there is no contention that Williams and Gibbs know what they are doing! But, lets cut Lavar a little slack. This man has been here when noone else was showing up. Remember Deion? Remember Dan Wilkinson? Remember Bruce Smith? I dont, really. It was cool to see those guys in burgandy and gold for all of two minutes, then you realized they didnt fit. There was a a rather candid article written at the beginning of the year last year about how much Lavar wanted to stay in Washington, how he had made his home here, how people embraced him. And you know what, thats more than can be said for people mentioned above. That man, as erratic as a player as he can be, loves his team. And salary aside, as he could command it just about anywhere, he loved his team when things werent so great. Now he wants to play. He was hurt and is frustrated. He wants to be involved. And I have a little feeling that he will be back in there, very soon. If he is such an emotional player, what happens when he is finally ready? Think about the 87 season. Schroeder goes down Williams steps up. You think that man could have started for any team he wanted to? Look at his performance. George Rogers goes down and Timmy Smith steps in, if just for one game. Gibbs wants hungry players. And the longer he keeps Lavar on the side, the hungrier he gets. And Im intrigued to see what happens when 56 is called on a consistent basis. Its clear that they didnt intend for this to become a distraction. Gibbs and Williams know what they are doing with a young guy with more potential than anyone his age in the league right now. Id say trust them, and leave all parties alone and watch what happens here, because it could be explosive. :allhail: :helmet: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slm2856 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Agreed, Put Him In!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1031 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 :helmet: At this particular time it is all about pride on the coaches part. Can Lavar help this team? Yes. Can Lavar cause turnovers and get to the quarterback? Yes. Are the linebackers on the feild good players? Without a doubt. Are they great players or do they have the ability to become great players? No. The only linebacker that can at this time still become a great linebacker is Lavar. And unless we are Williams/Gibbs/Blanche or Lavar then we will never know the whole story no matter how often they appear on television. Maybe they have told the 100%truth? Doubtful. Maybe Lavar knows exactly why he is not playing? Again doubtful. The problem now is that the media coverage has blown this thing way out of proportion. And if they they play Lavar it would seem that the leadership of the team was letting the press and fan base dictate who plays. If and when this dies down and after the Skins have dropped to 10th in the league in overall defense you will begin to see him more and more. Williams, after the game against the Chiefs, asked the reporter who he should take out to make room for Lavar. Well, out of the current roster of linebackers move Holdman to the middle and give back the weak side to Lavar. Marshall would then fall in the depth chart but I do not think he is as good a player as the other linebackers. So at this point I think the coaches need to make a commitment to Lavar or cut/trade him and allow him to play somewhere else. So far they have told his agent no trades, so whats the deal. If he doesn't fit their "system" whatever the hell that means allow him the chance to play elsewhere.:logo: :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGUY56 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I think this is the most telling quote I've read about the whole Lavar saga. Players know whats going on and who should be on the field. I read this today in the chat house with Wilbon. Arrington: Is it possible that the rest of the defense might be angry if LaVar DID play under these circumstances. Gibbs has said this year that the locker room knows who deserves to make the team and who should be on the field. If the rest of the defense follows their assignments and does what they are supposed to do and one guy doesn't, but he gets to play anyway, might that be a backlash the other way? Michael Wilbon: Let me say this, and I know it for a fact that the defensive players WANT LaVar...Believe me, I considered that, too, while I was writing in the press box in Kansas City...But I have on the most reliable authority that the other defenders want him back on the field. NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red zone Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Really, uh, no. Lavar said no one is telling him why he's not playing. Then after realizing there's proof people are, he says, well, yeah, they are, but I don't believe it.That's contradiction on Lavar's part. And Gregg William's stating "All our defensive players are starters" and then playing everyone available on defense except LaVar is a contradiction. LaVar is just a player, whether his is duplicitous or forthcoming is not important. Gregg Williams is an Asst. Head Coach. His "word" is all he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 LaVar did not bring this drama...the media brought the drama to LaVar so I don't think it's fair that he gets the blame. I agree with this statement but that doesn't mean he is without blame. He needs to do exactly what Joe Gibbs is doing now and refuse to talk about it. If the media hears "No comment" enough they will move on to something else. Much like the TO situation as long as someone is willing to fan the flames they will continue to talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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