bsmsss Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 i will take the wait and see approach with campbell pick--however most qb with a low wonderlic score bomb in the nfl--see heath shuler as one of many examples i think ryan leaf also scored very low on the wonderlic test as well hopefull campbell doesnt become another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Well. Alrighty then. There you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Marino scored only a 13 I believe, he turned out ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Joe Montana's was VERY low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Football IQ and books IQ are different.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Well. I'm glad we solved that one, Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujmodi Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Jason Campbell's first wonderlic score was low. He took it again, and did much better. link I heard two things when I asked around on Friday. One: he scored a very pedestrian 14 on his Wonderlic test last year, then got it up to 28 this year. Teams are suspicious that he studied for his Wonderlic and the 14 is closer to what his true score is. Two: If he was so good, why didn't the Auburn offensive staff design the games around him instead of the great backs?My rejoinders: In the case of the Wonderlic, wouldn't you want your quarterback to work to get better where he's deficient? I would. And look how the kid adjusted to four different offensive coordinators in his Auburn career. He obviously was able to digest a lot of X's and O's pretty well. In regard to play-calling, let's remember two things: First, SEC coaches voted Campbell the 2004 offensive player of the year. And he averaged 21 pass attempts a game. This isn't Bob Griese with Kiick, Csonka and Morris, folks. This is a guy who controlled a high-octane offense and was the ringleader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofer Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 :bfd: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Hey, lic my Wonder, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighSkinsMann Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by Dan T. Hey, lic my Wonder, pal. LOL....LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 THE WONDERLIC HAS NO CORRELATION TO PASSING PERFORMANCE. REPEAT: THE WONDERLIC HAS NO CORRELATIN TO PASSING PERFORMANCE. http://www.thesportjournal.org/2005Journal/Vol8-No2/mac-mirabile.asp DID I MENTION THAT THE WONDERLIC HAS NO CORRELATION TO PASSING PERFORMANCE? That argument is like saying since some bad NFL QBs liked pancakes Campbell will be a bad QB because he likes pancakes. Also, just to clarify, THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN LIKING PANCAKES AND PASSING PERFORMANCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkowi Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Are you suprised he is not that bright? I mean, last I heard he was considering getting into politics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 I bet Mark Brunell has a high wonderlic, look at how courageously he sees defenders coming at him, and then calculates the time before they come, deciding when the opportune moment is to throw the ball to the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 You don't have to be smart to play football, sometimes it probably helps being a little slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by matty dread Marino scored only a 13 I believe, he turned out ok Nahhh, that was just his jersey number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by Liberty You don't have to be smart to play football, sometimes it probably helps being a little slow. How would you say that helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by bobzmuda That argument is like saying since some bad NFL QBs liked pancakes Campbell will be a bad QB because he likes pancakes. Also, just to clarify, THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN LIKING PANCAKES AND PASSING PERFORMANCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeythetapeworm Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. S I bet Mark Brunell has a high wonderlic, look at how courageously he sees defenders coming at him, and then calculates the time before they come, deciding when the opportune moment is to throw the ball to the sideline. I think that your example is a little bit lacking; or at least it doesn't support the point you seem to think it does. Marino was incredble throughout his career and had a poor wonderlic Schuler and Leaf were both poor for their whole careers(in their youths) with poor wonderlics Brunell was a great QB in his youth with a good wonderlic, but now he's old and inept. Wonderlic doesn't have anything to do with it, age does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by Joeythetapeworm I think that your example is a little bit lacking; or at least it doesn't support the point you seem to think it does. Marino was incredble throughout his career and had a poor wonderlic Schuler and Leaf were both poor for their whole careers(in their youths) with poor wonderlics Brunell was a great QB in his youth with a good wonderlic, but now he's old and inept. Wonderlic doesn't have anything to do with it, age does. He was saying Brunell's high Wonderlic score didn't do anything for him, or at least not the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeythetapeworm Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Originally posted by dfitzo53 He was saying Brunell's high Wonderlic score didn't do anything for him, or at least not the past few years. I understand that and am saying that Brunell's high wonderlic score may have done a lot for him(didn't he go to a conference championship some years back?) but that you can't expect a wonderlic score to even be a factor when the physical tools just aren't there anymore, and age has taken its toll. I'm saying that the "or at least not the past few years. " disclaimer makes his point irrelevant to the discussion. It's like saying "Sammy Baugh had an excellent wonderlic score but he couldn't win us any games today, at 90 years old. Therefore the wonderlic is meaningless" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Originally posted by Joeythetapeworm I understand that and am saying that Brunell's high wonderlic score may have done a lot for him(didn't he go to a conference championship some years back?) but that you can't expect a wonderlic score to even be a factor when the physical tools just aren't there anymore, and age has taken its toll. I'm saying that the "or at least not the past few years. " disclaimer makes his point irrelevant to the discussion. It's like saying "Sammy Baugh had an excellent wonderlic score but he couldn't win us any games today, at 90 years old. Therefore the wonderlic is meaningless" Relax. It was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Originally posted by dfitzo53 How would you say that helps? Thinking too much can be a bad thing, it is best to let instict take care of some things. That is why sometimes "slow" players can accel. Plus they are less likely to question the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncevensen Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 look if a man prepares for a test, i would think we all have done in our lives, then doesnt that show some work ethic. And thats a negative how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 haha, yeh really Joeythetapeworm, it was a weak attempt, but I was just merely doing a little Brunell bashing. Skins11 had the right idea. Now, you are comparing age with player ability by bringing in Sammy Baugh. That is pretty irrelevant however, other QBs have played better than Brunell did for us this season at older ages. Since he has appeared in the thread already, Dan Marino for one. Also, Brett Favre is hands down better than Brunell despite being similar in age. Right now id take Gus Frerotte or Doug Flutie as well. Rich Gannon had a good season or two in Oakland, as well as Brad Johnson a few years ago. Sammy Baugh is frikkin 90 years old, Brunell is 35 now I believe, and was signed to be a conceivable starter at 34. I have just shown how other QB's at that age have still done well and won. Your analogy is weak in that sense. Im sure skins11 implied that it is case by case as well, no 2 people are alike, and that we all agree that wonderlic probably means very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay87 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Football is about reaction not thinking, if you think you stop and you get laid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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