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  1. Can't shame a fan-base for choosing a name that brings the best of all worlds. Those just focusing on the "Red" of Redwolves are not seeing the big picture. Some names: -provide the opportunity for clear and new iconography, allowing for a fresh start -let you respect and preserve NA connections in an acceptable way -give you extremely familiar alliterations, that muscle memory has built over decades of fandom -provide a real world impact, giving a chance to do serious good -provide the opportunity to build added culture by intimately tethering your
  2. Shouldn't birds be lumped in with animals? Birds are very well represented across numerous sports. Grossly over represented. Cats n Bovines are pretty populous as well
  3. Its all good I honestly don't think we are all that far apart in the grand scheme. I don't think there is anyone on this board that thinks we can get away with calling ourselves the Indian Oceans, with a tidal wave for a logo. I believe everyone knows we'd get absolutely pimp slapped for trying and would have to re-name our team all over again. Its an extreme example, but acknowledgment of this means we all agree there is some kind of spectrum that exists that makes some names/ideas off limits even if they do not include any kind of NA branding. Where
  4. They were perfectly fine showing a bunch of clips of 2020 displaying the limited size crowds throughout the video. If their intent was to eliminate HTTR from being seen, they could have easily continued to show those. Can't exactly go to the team website and buy the Wolf and Warrior gear you referenced. Their goal is not to sell you merch. Not yet anyway. Still a year away from that
  5. There was definitely more than one. And I remember the first one early in the video being amazingly prominent, like a single guy with a towel taking up half the screen. There was also stock footage of past large crowds with people holding up HTTR scrolls. Off the top of my head that makes at least two, with multiple scrolls being in sight on the crowd scene. It was a short video, so allotting multiple shots to the HTTR, which was not even available to use last season meaning they had to deliberately go back and select old footage to do so, seems pretty intentional.
  6. Simple answer? Money How many hits and eyeballs do they get when they put out stories about staying WFT? How many more people get energized when their favorite idea (even if unusable) is still "in the running" How many videos and articles were spawned when the team put out ideas like the Demon Cats or Rubies This whole re-brand is being run by a digital marketing firm. They know the value of fanning flames and keeping people invested. It is in their best interest for people to believe every name could be valid at this point. Just look at how
  7. Well think of it like this. Lets say after decades of Native American branding, we choose our new name to be the Indian Oceans, with a tidal wave as a logo. The Indian Ocean is on the other side of the planet and has nothing to do with Native Americans. Our imagery would have nothing to do with Native Americans. The team name of Indian's will still be unacceptable due to the decades long association. There are certain words that are well connected to Native Americans, and we will be unable to use those words, even if referencing something else. Tribe, Braves
  8. I don't think we can use it given the two obvious shorthand nicknames of Braves and Hearts Since we have to drop NA connections, we can not use a name that has a shorthand of Braves, even if our imagery is completely unrelated. We are under too big a microscope to get away with it. Tribe, Warpath, Braves... all off limits for us in our current predicament, even if it is just the shorthand of the name. Shame tho, Washington Warpath would have been cool if it would not get us knocked back into the stone age.
  9. Good catch. Covert is the word i was looking for Something not apparent, not openly acknowledged or displayed.
  10. No one says you cant have a connection. It just: A: (in the case of something that has Native American association) Can't be on the nose and has to be overt and something the team will never recognize in any official capacity unless their desire is to invite ruin or B: Be linked to a part of our history that is totally removed from NAs. The Hogs would be one good example of an acceptable on the nose connection. There will be no "social" outcry if officially recognized, or even if that is our new name Redwolves/Wolves would be a
  11. Its not off the rails at all, there are several examples of historical president. GS can change their logo, but there are still calls to remove their name. Indians can remove imagery, and they still were brought to the point where they are now choosing a new moniker. Replacing decades of branding w/ something nondescript will be met w/ backlash, time and time again. Can you use the term Warriors in a way that does not reference NAs? Sure, but that is not our only problem. Due to our unique circumstances we can't utilize a different culture, so no Romans or Spartain
  12. The instant stores choose to de-list your merch your done. The whole "F-them get mine" mentality hurts us way more then them. All your doing is creating an ocean of articles praising them for doing the right thing, meanwhile your back to branding square one with an even bigger target on your back. What do you get? Ceremonial grandstanding, two years down the drain and a billy in lost revenue. Great. The NFL has merchandising contracts so there is no circumventing them. If NIKE faces great enough pressure, and chooses to pull the plug, game over. You do not push limits
  13. Long story short, Non-de script imagery does not erase decades of branding. We need to adopt a new identity. We can't just be a W, or something that is not identifiable. We see that with Golden State. We see that with the Indians, even after they remove offensive imagery. We will probably see it again moving forward w/ the Chiefs, Braves and others. Its why we ourselves saw push back when we adopted our temp name. The Redskin's moniker has spent its entire life-cycle associating itself with NA imagery. To fully turn away from it in an acceptable manner, one that won't s
  14. Agreed. About as likely as us being named the Yankees or the Lakers. Never gonna happen. Won't be allowed to happen
  15. I think it is two pronged For a lot of casual people, who are not looking for any kind of deeper meaning in a moniker, they probably look at this name and feel that it is way too on the nose for a Football team. Its almost like having a team of drivers and calling them The Racers. Or having a team of Boxers and calling them The Fighters. While both names are accurate, they feel pretty uninspired and... Generic. For people that want to have deeper meaning in their name, the problem is almost the exact opposite, even though we end up with the same result. The term
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