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7 minutes ago, GothSkinsFan said:

The same way we do this year - trade current and future picks and/or players

So why not do that now when we already know there are good prospects? Why wait until there’s possibly only 1 or 2 first round talents and they will go too high?

3 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

The poster you quoted was referring to qbs (and WFT being in the same position as this year - needing to trade up big time to land a top guy).  With that said, and as you’re maybe eluding to - the more talent there is overall, the better chance a good qb falls.

A good QB doesn’t fall to you. That’s not how it works anymore. You have to be ultra aggressive in getting your guy, which half of this fanbase thinks is the worst thing ever and we can still win with game managers.

3 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

It’s a big unknown for sure, but there were only two at this point last year - Lawrence and Fields.

Yeah, I think there’s some urgency to getting a qb this year, and that urgency will likely ramp up next year (though I’d guess Fitz re-signs if we don’t land a rookie... and maybe even if we do).  We’ll see how it plays out.

 

Curious what people think about WFT meeting with Felipe Franks?

Franks is a camp body. Doesn’t mean much.

25 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Dude, let it play out.  Your already judging the guy before he's taken his first snap.  

He’s played 16 years in the league. We already know what he is.

33 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Truth be told I ignored you not blocked you.  Could have sent in a message but am letting you know.  All is well, KD.  Sometimes I get my fill.  I apologize.  Can't wait till the draft starts and see what happens nights 1 and 2.  That will tell us what they plan. 

One thing we can do.  If Fitz plays well for us this year and we don't draft a QB (I am hoping like you we get our future guy this year) we can sign Fitz for another year to groom next year's QB if we draft one next year.

And if Fitz isn’t good? We’re screwed as a franchise.

43 minutes ago, KDawg said:

There’s a ton of talent in this upcoming draft class as it stands right now. I don’t get this thought process. Every year there is always significant talent entering the league. 

Kayvon Thibadeaux Edge Oregon

Derek Stingley CB LSU

John Metchie WR Alabama

Bubba Bolden S Miami

Evan Neal OT Alabama

Christian Harris LB Alabama

Sam Howell QB UNC

JT Daniels QB Georgia

Dillon Gabriel QB UCF

Spencer Rattler QB Oklahoma

Rasheed Walker OT Penn State

Charles Cross OT Miss State

Chris Olave WR Ohio State

Sevyn Banks CB Ohio State

Jalen Wydermyer TE Texas A&M

Zion Nelson OT Miami

Cade Mays OG Tennessee

Isaiah Spiller RB Texas A&M

Justyn Ross WR Clemson

That’s just off the top of my head. There will be risers and fallers and new guys entering the fray. But the class being bad is silly. The top two safeties are Moehrig level of good if not better. The top TE would be better than any TE in this draft as an in-line guy (isn’t a pass catcher like Pitts though). The top receivers aren’t as good as the top of this year’s class but they are damn good. The QBs may wind up being more heralded as a whole than this year’s crop. 
 

And, not to mention... the overall defensive talent in the 2022 draft class is MUCH better at the top than this season.

 

 

 

 

All I care about is QB because that’s the biggest gaping hole we have right now. If we don’t draft one this year we have to be desperate in getting one of the top guys next year because we can’t waste this core on Kyle Allen.

2 minutes ago, IrepDC said:

I don't want to name names for the simple reason it'll always sound crazy to project this early unless it's someone like Lawrence. You would have sounded crazy to project Burrow as a top QB after losing his spot to Haskins or his first mediocre year at LSU. I'm projecting a jump from several players, but it will sound crazy to announce it now. There are already mock drafts for next year being made that have 3 and 4 1st round QBs and some of those include the guys I'm thinking of.

What makes you think anybody that has a breakout is going to be in reach for us? If we finish 7-10/6-11 even we’ll be settling for scraps.

4 hours ago, GothSkinsFan said:

So why even play the season?  How about 2023, 2024?  Especially given that one-year wonders are now the rage and last year was rather 💩y due to covid, how about we give the kids a chance to play before flushing them down the toilet?

We already know how it is on paper vs 2021. Zero top 10 worthy picks right now vs 2021. Meaning that if we don’t have a very high draft pick next year we have no shot at a QB and are now SOL. And we’ve wasted our defensive core again.

41 minutes ago, IrepDC said:

There are a few QBs in next year's class I like as much as or more than Wilson, Fields, Lance, and Jones;

The league heavily disagrees with you. It’s a terrible class next year.

1 minute ago, mhd24 said:

Yeah, but why would Atlanta give up a high 4th and a high 5th for a relatively high 3rd, a future 3rd and moving down 5 spots?  They are losing value on that trade big time.  Atlanta IMO is staying out and taking Pitts unless they are blown away by an offer

Yeah that's a garbage trade lol. They would just stay at 4 and take Pitts.

12 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Apparently, Denver called Atlanta and made an offer for #4. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/broncos-falcons-draft-trade-trey-lance-justin-fields-rumors?utm_source

 

If that's all moving up from 9 to 4 costs, I'm kind of upset we won that Eagles game now 😄

Allbright is saying they haven't reached out to Atlanta

Still should have taken Justin Herbert. Chase is a monster but we so badly need a franchise QB.

3 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

Betting in guys like Cornelius Lucus to continue to play above their pay grade, instead of expecting regression to the mean, is asking for trouble. We can’t have a bunch of JAG/replacement level players at LT and expect the OL to play at an above average level. 

That shouldn't stop you from trying to get an elite talent at QB. Average line play works with high end playmaking talent + you can use free agency and day 2 to upgrade if needed

1 hour ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

You don't even have an OL to keep that high caliber elite prospect upright. 50 sacks last year. Not just Haskins. Alex took a ton. The other guys in their short stints took plenty. QBs who might be ok are overvalued at draft time. Then you think you're getting Mahomes instead of a Ponder or EJ Manuel. They admit with how the college season went and the virtual combine, scouting is much harder this year. Not shocking that results in the most desired position to then have a bunch of guys projected so highly now. Thankfully desperate teams like San Fran go all in and hopefully the Falcons and Denver and New England all go QB... And it pushes some top 10 talent down to 19.

 

 

PFF had our line ranked top half of the league. The sacks came from Haskins and Alex being absolute statues. Lance has Cam-like ability to escape the pocket anyways so this isn't a relavent post.

Just now, Darth Tater said:

Several first round QBs I thought were can't miss were but I've never been wrong about a first round QB I thought would fail. I would not touch Lance unless he is available in round 2.

Got any proof? Because I could say the same thing if I wanted to.

I don't understand why anyone wants to trade up for a LB, let alone one who was involved in sexual hazing, when we don't have a long term QB. You're so scared of taking risks and that you don't understand how teams can put themselves in absolute purgatory.

10 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

If anybody thinks 15 years for a player, I want to know what they are smoking. If you had as many needs as this team does, trading the ability to draft those needs isn't easy at all. Again, could be all smokescreens but it definitely sounds like they if they want a QB, they want one who has more to scout on.

 

Feels like this was a line was being more honest that we expected. 

 

It doesn't matter how many needs you have or how many starts they have. If you believe a guy has the talent to be a high caliber or elite QB, you get him. There's no asset more valuable than a top 10 QB.

1 hour ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

I actually expect the complete opposite. Going from 19 to 7 and the cost of that for a guy they acknowledged (along with other QBs who don't have a ton of on-field experience) wouldn't be contributing soon seems like a no-brainer pass. Especially after listening to their presser this week where they tried to dance around that and kept saying "any player" instead of moving up for a QB.

 

You have to think long term and not just for one year. If you think Lance/Fields can be a high caliber QB for 15 years, you make that trade up easy. 

Would be funny if we drafted both Lance and Radunz

Just now, cakmoney61 said:

The Falcons could select a QB at #4.  How would y'all feel if the Team traded pick #19 to the Falcons for Matt Ryan?  IMO, he'd make the Team instant contenders for the next few years at least.  He turns 36 in May.

Where have you been for the last month lol

11 hours ago, RWJ said:

The only one I know for sure that Scott Turner was at along with GM or GMs was Trey Lance.  I think that important because I/we know Turner attended since he's our O coordinator.  Maybe that means nothing to some. I think that's important to know.  Doesn't mean we are definitely going to draft him #1.  

He was at Fields pro day as well

31 minutes ago, mistertim said:

Yeah if the Niners draft Jones I'd do some backflips because it could mean that other guys fall. 

 

It's not going to happen. There's no way SF is spending 3 first round draft picks on Mac Jones.

Never know 

6 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

I don't think Detroit would trade down with us (or anyone else) if Sewell is there at 7.  He fits exactly what Dan Campbell wants (the trenches).  They can move Vatai inside and put Sewell at RT.   They already have multiple 1sts in the next two drafts.  Ironically, it might be better not to have too many firsts, but who knows?

 

Carolina could clearly take Slater (if Sewell is gone) at 8.  I could also see them trade down and try and recoup the lost Darnold picks.  Its a perfect spot for NE or Chicago to trade up.  

 

Chicago sounds more desperate than us for a QB.  If their ownership allows it, I could see them moving heaven and earth for Lance/Fields.  

 

NE is a total wildcard.  Lombardi is tight with BB and he's been negative on Fields throughout.  NE might like Lance, but who knows?

 

We are obviously not going to be able to trade up at 10-12.  

Slater isn’t good enough to not justify a trade down plus it’s a deep tackle draft 

https://twitter.com/BEschWFT/status/1382676246820220936?s=20

Ugh it's not embedding.

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Another reason why I think #7 is the pivot point for any team trading up for QB.  I think that's the spot where the last of the 5 QBs go.  If you go purely by rumors.  The #5 QB is likely Fields.  And the team most likely to go chase him would be NE.  But will see. 

 

 

 

That's definitely Carolina begging for someone to trade with them. They already invsted a good amount in Darnold.

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I've watched a lot of Trask, got more family ties to the Gators (not including myself) than any other university.

 

Trask does move around.  Trask does run from time to time.  But the dude looks as slow and awkward as you'd expect from a 5.10 40 time QB.  The 2nd clip showcases it well.  It's strange to see him take off from time to time but his less than a half a yard per carry average I think sums it up well.

 

I really worked hard to talk myself into Trask including watching some games recently.  The best I can do is say I can see him as a backup in this league or maybe a low end starter.  Hearing McElroy's faint praise of Trask didn't help my view -- basically calling him a project that has to sit and learn and if he reaches his potential he's Brad Johnson.  But his description of his play mirrored some of things I've observed and commented on.

 

 

 

 

 

I know.  I listened to it as well.  I don't really focus on the praise but the description of the player and their personality.

 

I don't want any of the QBs post top 5.  But if I was forced to pick up the tallest midget in the land so to speak among the next tier it would be Mills. 

I can't belive anyone wants Trask like jesus christ