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19 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

You are aware why people like to compare Jones v Haskins correct?

Yes because one quarterback "wink wink come get me Gettleman" was upset that the Giants didn't draft him, and then when a divisional rival did, both fanbases salivated at the opportunity to be the one who "won" the draft lottery.  And I am saying that ironically, both teams probably lost because of A. Haskins more likely than not being off of the team by next season and B. Jones having very similar numbers to Kyle Allen.

1 hour ago, Llevron said:

I don’t know what your argument is here but I got a shot ready for you if you can pull it off lol

I just find it interesting that the undrafted guy has outperformed 2 first round picks that several people in this fanbase argue over who is better than the other, Jones v. Haskins.  

Do you know who's numbers are similar to Kyle Allen over their first 16 starts?

26 TDs | 17 INTS | 2 Rushing Touchdowns | 12 Fumbles | 61.6% Completion Percentage | 3,889 Yards | 81.6 Passer Rating

That's Daniel Jones over his first 16 starts.  

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

So bringing this to Haskins.  Yeah Rivera wasn't the best politician as to explaining his decision.  But I got no doubt it wasn't just some willy nilly benching based on no good reason.  Rivera is fixated on players intangibles and culture.  So players that don't fit that culture I gather don't do well with him.   Haskins reputation for integrity is borderline infalliable.  

It's interesting to see how Dallas is imploding with player leaks anonymously calling out their coaches, yet there was none of that here when Rivera benched Haskins.  That's pretty telling.  

2 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

Except, most of those stats are with Carolina....who just replaced him

The coaching staff who signed him...traded for him in the offseason.  

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

There are people in the Facebook group saying Kyle Allen is garbage after yesterday’s game... I mean, he’s not a world beater, but after yesterday I’m not sure that’s a hill I die on...)

There are people on Twitter who are worse:
 

If over the course of his first 16 games started, Dwayne Haskins (or any other rookie) put these numbers up:

23 TDs | 16 INTS | 5 Rushing Touchdowns | 8 Fumbles | 62.8 Completion Percentage | 3,803 Yards | | 87.6 Passer Rating

There would be no question that we would not be drafting a quarterback next year and he would be the unquestioned starter.  These are Kyle Allen's stats over his first 16 starts.  

14 minutes ago, heyholetsgogrant said:

Cowboys are done, I think they tank for draft.

They still need a quarterback if Dalton does not clear concussion protocol.  

I hope the Cowboys trade for him.  

We need a new kicker.  There is no point in continuing with Hopkins.

Can't we just pretend that we drafted Terry #15 overall in 2019?

Looking pretty smart by Rivera and Co. to trade for Allen in the offseason.  

3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Me too, because leaking this stuff provides him absolutely no value.  I can't even comprehend how it would be beneficial for Rivera to depreciate his asset.

Why isn't the new team President, the one tasked with changing the culture, getting any blame for these leaks?  Why does it all fall at Rivera's feet?

The answer to that is obvious: Rivera is the one who benched Haskins.  So he has to be the bad guy in these people's eyes.

Seems like some members of Simba's Pride are still in the denial stage of grief.  I thought they had moved on to anger.  

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

Well, sure. But we don’t know context, right? Maybe Tua is lighting it up in practice and they decided they can’t deny the guy anymore. 

My guess would be he's practicing well and learning the playbook, as well as the Jets being the next opponent.  

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

This is Tua's first ride.  Keenum was also benched for Haskins last year. 

Washington didn't have a shot to win the division last year.  The Dolphins do.  It's not a commentary on anything, just an interesting observation.  Rivera is trying to win a weak division and Flores seems to be ready to get his rookie quarterback some experience.  I'm not sure which one I agree with more.  

Brian Flores just benched Ryan Fitzpatrick for Tua.  The Dolphins are currently in 2nd place, 1 game behind the division lead.  Tua is the unknown, whereas you know what you're getting with Fitzpatrick.  It's like the complete opposite of what we are doing with Haskins/Allen, although I'd say that Allen is definitely more unknown than Fitzpatrick.  

2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Cam looked fanatic before he got Covid.

Cam had a worse QBR in week 3 (pre-Covid) than Brian Hoyer did in week 4.  And it declined even more so last week.  Cam would've been the correct choice for this season, IMO.  I don't think we should even consider him for next year until the remainder of the season plays out.  

21 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said:

I honestly compare this performance to Haskins Cleveland game where he had highs and lows and the lows ultimately were the reason why we lost but the highs were the reason we were in the game. 

This is fair.  It's also a reason why this team can not go back to Alex Smith under any circumstances.  

13 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Our problem is that Turner is Rivera's guy.  He sucks at his job and we threw away Haskins for him.  It's something a bad organization would do.

Scott Turner sucking as an offensive coordinator doesn't somehow magically make Haskins somehow good or salvageable.  A bad organization drafts a quarterback at 15 overall because he went to school with the owner's son.  

On the plus side, Tress Way only punted once.  He was averaging 6.2 punts per game in the first 5 games.  The offense actually sustained drives and moved the ball for a change...until Allen did the Kyle Allen thing he always does.  I'm more annoyed with how he completely folds under the slightest bit of pressure.  There are times when he moves up in the pocket and/or escapes pressure, and other times where it just seems like his brain shuts down (which is what it looked like with the sack fumble).  

Just now, KDawg said:

Is this RE: my comment about the rumor?

 

If so: it’s not about that. It’s about Rivera having personnel control, not following what he as the HC wants and letting Scott Turner, an unproven basically rookie OC, have control of personnel. I think that’s a killer mistake (If it’s true).

No.

Just a general thought I've had.  I think we're maybe 2-4 with Cam.  

10 hours ago, zskins said:

 

Or he could have ran in on the 2 point conversation and didn't take the chance. A real QB would have at least try to run it in if there was no play to the WRs. 

There was no one open to throw to, and there was no way Allen was getting in.  Peppers was right there at the goal line daring him to run.  

I would have rather they went and got Newton on a very cheap 1-year prove it deal, but it's not like he's lighting the world on fire in New England.  

11 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

For the life of me I will never understand why Kirk got more hate than Griff.  What did Kirk do? 

I'm old enough to remember when Stephen A. Smith literally said that Kirk Cousins would never be accepted in "Chocolate City" live on ESPN and it was barely even acknowledged locally.